TWIN FALLS • The photo caused an uproar in the online community: a wolf, its leg caught in a trap, standing in a ring of bloody snow, as Nez Perce National Forest employee Josh Bransford posed with a grin in the foreground.

Critics contended posing for the photo before killing the wolf was inhumane. Defenders said the blood came from other injuries, not the trap, which was set correctly and legally.

In the last several months, coverage of the controversy is the most press the practice has received in Idaho. But trapping is about to hit the spotlight again, as part of a proposed amendment to add the right to hunt, fish and trap into Idaho’s constitution.

The measure is on the ballots this November, but animal rights activists are unhappy about including trapping in the amendment.

Idahoans Against Trapping chairman Greg Moore said his group feels trapping is an unnecessarily cruel and prolonged way of killing animals.

“Due to the inclusion of trapping in the amendment, if it passes, then torturing wild animals to death will have been declared legal in Idaho forever,”Moore said. And if it’s protected in the constitution, potential changes to trapping-related laws may have to go through the courts, not the Legislature.

Moore also said the constitution should be for fundamental human rights, like freedom of speech and religion.

“Trapping does not fall into that category,”Moore said.

TwinFalls Sen. Lee Heider, author of the Right to Hunt amendment, dismissed those concerns, saying trappers check their traps often.

“I don’t think anybody delights in being cruel,”Heider said. “To make an animal suffer, that’s just not something we do.”

In Idaho, trappers are required to check traps once every 72 hours. But most check once every 24 hours, said Andy White of theIdaho Trappers Association.

Heider also said trapping is as much a part of Idaho’s tradition as hunting and fishing.

“The original mountain men, the original Idahoans, were much more involved in trapping, and that’s why they came out here,”Heider said, adding that trapping proved to be an important part of wolf management over the last year.

And the reality of trapping isn’t as inhumane as opponents say, White said. Foot hold traps aren’t designed to injure the animal, he claimed. The idea is to hold the game in place, allowing the trapper to release the animal if they decide not to harvest.

That way, “the animal doesn’t suffer and continue to fight the trap,”White said, adding that today’s trap designs are different than those from 50 years ago.

Foot holds and other forms of live traps allow for valuable wildlife management, like relocating species to other areas,White said.

Heider is confident the amendment will pass. In an early July poll on Magicvalley.com, 343 people agreed that trapping should be protected in the constitution, while 229 disagreed. Thirty respondents said they were undecided.

“I’ve never trapped anything in my whole life,”Heider said. “But I believe just as strongly that it should be a right that’s protected for those who do.”

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SKC_ID
SKC_ID

“I don’t think anybody delights in being cruel,”Heider said.

Whether someone delights in being cruel or not, the sad fact is, there are many people in this world who simply do not care if an animal is suffering in pain. For some reason, they are not moved by it. I know I will offend some by saying this, but, in my view, trappers fall into this category. How could they do it, if this were not the case?

"Until we have the courage to recognize cruelty for what it is--whether its victim is human or animal--we cannot expect things to be much better in this world."
-- Rachel Carson

LoveOutdoors
LoveOutdoors

SKC_ID (Rachel)
The sad fact is, you're right, there are many people in this world who simply do not care if an animal is suffering in pain. Where I believe you have made the wrong assessment is by saying "trappers fall into this category". That is simply painting an enormous group with a broad brush that doesn't deserve it. I'm a trapper and I take great care to ensure my trapped animals do not suffer. So does every other trapper I know. I encourage all people who may be anti-trapping simply because they are uneducated on the topic and somehow equate trapping with cruelty to step away from the propaganda of BOTH sides and educate yourself on the topic before you immediately oppose it.

By your logic, you imply that because there are some sick, twisted babysitters and nannies that delight in the cruelty of children that all of babysitting and nannies should be outlawed?

The offenders should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Same goes for cruel trappers, cruel dog owners or any other form of cruelty.

Simply saying trappers are cruel is needless hyperbole and saying that the activity of trapping is inherently cruel is an uneducated viewpoint, not one that is based in fact and reality.

To say things like “our rights to walk our public lands freely are held hostage” by trapping is more needless exaggeration that fuels the debate, not the facts. Do you know that I have spent over 120 nights a year in a tent on public lands in Idaho, Missouri, California, Colorado and Utah and I have NEVER once encountered a trap set by another individual. Not once! Held hostage? Hardly.

Unlike others on here, I’m not trying to tell you how you should think and act. I’m asking you to be educated and not be swayed by either side simply because they say so – see it with your own eyes and not on some YouTube special of the day.

Until we have the courage to educate ourselves on the topics that are important to us rather than be swayed by endless political propaganda and rhetoric, and start protecting our freedoms instead of constantly looking to limit them in a futile attempt to control a select few by impacting the broad population, we cannot expect things to be much better in our world.

I’ll be voting YES on HJR2

grizzly877
grizzly877

I've educated myself on trapping. You have to be a sicko to support trapping knowing very well that trapping KILLS MANY DOGS AND ALL KINDS OF WILDLIFE. Trappers care nothing for wildlife except killing it. trappers also know that they cause pain to animals and they could careless.

Montana Trappers Association member Dennis "Foothold" Schutz wrote, "We trappers do cause pain and suffering to animals and apologize to no one.

Traps have proven over and over again that they are a serious threat to dogs andall kinds of wildlife. Non target animals get caught and killed in traps more times than you would like to admit. Traps that are on public lands have proven they are a serious threat to pets and all kinds of wildlife and they need to be destroyed.

Hawk's view
Hawk's view

grizzly877-- You have not educated yourself on anything. You've allowed yourself to believe a Disneyesque view of nature. Animals do NOT behave as you believe. Simple observation would tell you that.

Trapping is NOT indiscriminate at all. Part of a trappers (or observers) education is learning how to very specifically target a species and many times a certain animal.

I have dogs and I have traps and I catch coyotes that kill my dogs. An educated trapper can figure that out. I thank THEM, not you.

Vote YES on HJR2. It is reality.

grizzly877
grizzly877

You trappers continue to spew your lies. Traps are INDISCRIMINATE. You cannot deny this fact. Many dogs getting caught and killed in traps proves this point. Traps are indiscriminate and any trapper who tells you no is lying. The majority are against trapping. Traps have proven many times over that they kill people's dogs and they kill non-target wildlife and that is why they need to be destroyed. Vote no on hjr2 and let's stop putting our dogs and wildlife in danger because of these lowlife trappers.

grizzly877
grizzly877

And for you to make the absurd claim that trapping is a sport proves that there is something mentally wrong with you. There are facts that you trappers cannot deny. There are many stories out there of dogs getting caught and killed by traps. Traps will catch any animal they can and there have been numerous cases of animals chewing their legs off to get free. These important facts prove that traps are dangerous and inhumane and they need to be destroyed on sight. There aren't that many trappers in Idaho and we are not going to let these lunatics put out dogs and wildlife in danger.

grizzly877
grizzly877

There are MANY more people who oppose trapping than support it. Trapping is a dying sport. Some trappers even acknowledge this. There are very many trappers in Idaho or Montana. There is no denying this and trappers can make all of excuses they want, but the fact of the matter is there have been many stories of traps catching. injuring, and even killing people's dogs. This cannot be denied. TRAPS ARE ALSO INDISCRIMINATE meaning they will catch any animal. There is no denying this. To support trapping knowing that it catches and kills a lot of non target animals including people's pets, you'd have to be some anti-wildlife nut. Traps have proven time and time again that they kill dogs and non target wildlife and in my opinion, given the danger they pose to people's dogs and all kinds of wildlife, they need to be destroyed on sight. Why should people's dogs and all kinds of wildlife have to die just because a minority wants to practice their so called "sport". Trapping is not a sport. There is nothing sporting about trapping what so ever and even wildlife experts will tell you that trapping is the complete opposite of fair chase.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Excuse me, what I meant to say is that there are VERY FEW trappers in Idaho and Montana. Trapping is a dying sport and it kills many dogs and all kinds of wildlife. If you are a real conservationist and wildlife lover, you should OPPOSE TRAPPING. Trappers know they cause pain and suffering to the animals they trap.

Montana Trappers Association member Dennis "Foothold" Schutz wrote, "We trappers do cause pain and suffering to animals and apologize to no one.

foreverfree
foreverfree

Too many people, Greg Moore especially included, are stuck on this idea that modern trappers let animals they've caught in traps rot, waste away, tear themselves apart, blah, blah, blah... all in order to get intelligent people to believe the ridiculous mantra that trapping is a sinful, archaic, barbarous and cruel activity.

Modern foot-hold trapping equipment is designed to catch specific animals (via size and placement of the trap, and pan tension aimed at a target animal) by the foot pad, and to allow for proper blood circulation in the trapped foot. This specifically prevents damage to the animal. An animal trapped in this manner could be released unharmed.

A classic example of this is the Lynx that was trapped in a legally placed foot-hold trap this past season. It is unlawful for trappers to keep Lynx in Idaho, and this animal was released unharmed after IDFG collected samples and gained biologic information from the catch. This is a shining example of how trapping is not the "cruel and inhumane" activity Moore's ilk would have everyone believe.

And what happened once the Lynx was released? Groups just like Moore's Idahoans Against Trapping sued IDFG, because somehow it was IDFG's fault that the caught Lynx had suddenly provided much-needed biologic data on a hard-to-find species, and that despite the new-found data trapping was also at fault, and since IDFG allows trapping in Idaho...

Well, I'm sure intelligent readers get the point.

One more thing: Why would a trapper who placed a trap with the specific intent of capturing, say, a bobcat, not visit that trap every day? It is unconscionable to think that a bobcat trapper would intentionally allow a $500 catch to remain in a trap for very long, risking damage, theft or predation! And you can rest assured that the bobcat harvested from a trap is put down quickly, decisively, and with as little drama or trauma as possible, because to damage that fur could instantly reduce the value of that pelt by half!

To learn the truth about trapping, or to gain the knowledge to become an ethical trapper in Idaho, please contact the Idaho Trappers Association (idahotrappers.com), the National Trappers Association (nationaltrappers.com), FurBearers Unlimited (furbearers.org), or sign up for the Basic Trapping Education classes the IDFG is offering to the public.

I'm thankful and confident that 1000s of Idaho voters, far more intelligent people than Greg Moore and his disciples (because his ideals really are an unscientific, cult-like religion), will go to the polls in November to vote YES on HJR2. Those casting YES votes for HJR2 in November are the 'Truly Enlightened' who have taken the time to investigate and understand the methods and benefits of the modern trapper in Idaho.

SKC_ID
SKC_ID

OK, let me get this straight. Modern foot-hold traps "specifically prevents damage to the animal" and yet, a trapper would not "allow a $500 catch to remain in a trap for very long, risking damage ..."

Thank you for trying to Truly Enlighten those of us who are too unintelligent to see your point of view, however, I believe we are intelligent enough to know right from wrong.

hskylov
hskylov

Foreverfree, you need to change your screen name-you advocate our freedoms, but if trapping is enshrined in our constitution, our rights to walk our public lands freely are held hostage. How can you say with a straight face, after our poster boy Bransford, that trappers are ethical, responsible, don't want to torture an animal or allow it to suffer? Give me a break-he obviously didn't care, as most trappers, that an animal can and does suffer. Call a spade a spade-trapping is cruel, inhumane, and has no place in our society anymore. Countdown has begun...

foreverfree
foreverfree

Hey Dog-Love,
I'm not advocating for your freedom; I'm exercising mine!

foreverfree
foreverfree

"It is unconscionable to think that a bobcat trapper would intentionally allow a $500 catch to remain in a trap for very long, risking damage, theft or predation!"

Normal tactics: Nice job misquoting me by altering the meaning of the sentence by omission. That's the only way you can get votes in November.

In the sentence above, “risking damage" does not imply that the trap causes damage. That phrase was used to convey anything that could happen to an animal in a trap.

(If there was any other implication in that statement, it was in reference to the cruel things you anti-trappers do to lawfully trapped animals so that you can spread lies about trappers and trapping.)

And "Dog-Love", you can still walk the woods as safely as you always have. Maybe with a little education you can actually recreate even safer this next fall.

I've read some quotes from anti-trappers who indicated that for the past 20 years they had no idea trapping was happening in the areas they frequent. That's as it should be. That's a pretty good track record. Twenty years, and they never knew!

Oh, by the way: No one tells me what to say or write. That's where ‘Forever Free Press’ comes from. That's how it's going to stay.

Vote YES on HJR2 in November.

oldschool
oldschool

If the traps are so cruel and hard on the animals how did the wolves that were TRAPPED in Canada and released in Idaho grow to the populatoin we have today? As far as cruelty goes there are people out there that think plants have feelings and that harvesting them causes pain. So anyone that uses plant material or eats plants could be painted with the same brush. From what I have witnessed from mother nature a lot of natural death in the wild is often not quick,humane or without suffering, but for some reason that does not affect or motivate activism in people that are "moved by an animals pain" they just say well that is just nature.Well I think that we are also part of nature.

asdfl
asdfl

Banned in over eighty countries, foothold traps are inhumane and often catch unintended animals, including dogs and cats. Severe injuries such as broken bones are common, and desperate animals sometimes chew off their own limbs to escape.

Boley
Boley

Have you seen this for yourself and know beyond a reasonable doubt? In all the time I have been trapping I have never seen an animal I decided to release unable to walk because of broken bones let alone one chew it's own limb off. Trapping was only banned because of lies like that. By the way trappers are trying to catch wild dogs and cats where there is an open season. (coyotes are part of the dog family and bob cats well cat family.) Pet owners should take some responsibility for their animals and not let them run wild. Trappers in Idaho are no longer allowed to trap on mantained trails or withing 300 feet of a campground. We trappers are doing our best to avoid the conflict. Why not do the same?

Boley
Boley

Here's some facts.
Trapping has been proven the best method in the control of furbearing animals populations.
Trapping benefits other wildlife. Proven by scientific studies done by organizations such as Delta Waterfowl.
Sportsmen and women support wildlife through the purchase of hunting, fishing and trapping liscenses. They spend their monies protecting wildlife habitat, in support of wildlife research projects and other wildlife support programs. NOW TO MY POINT! The USDA and US Fish and Wildlife will continue to use the best tool for the job! They will set traps. They will continue to do this even if sportsmen are no longer allowed to on taxpayers dollars. How much true support will anyone give to wildlife habitat and research programs when their taxes go up to pay for the increased amount of time the government has to spend in the field in controlling predators? Why do you think they will have to spend more time out? The predator populations will increase because of the lack of control. Trapping is a benefit to Idaho's wildlife and wild places. It IS NOT cruel or inhumane. It is an american heritage. NOW, quit spending your money fighting whats been proven as the best way to manage Idaho's furbearing wildlife and send that money to Fur Bearer Unlimited and actually help!

read22
read22

An American heritage, huh? So was wife beating, that doesn't make it right or humane. I, quite frankly, believe you are trying to persuade people that trapping is not inhumane, cruel and barbaric just so you can keep on reaping money. I have seen the video of the "big hearted trapper" taking about ten long minutes to cruelly drown the racoon that cannot escape the trap on its leg. What a vile, viscious creature he is, just standing there, pushing the little creature back under the water, over and over and over. The racoon even tries to climb the pole to save itself, but mr big hearted trapper just keeps shoving him under. It is past time for this contemptible, barbaric way of making a buck to end! Vote NO on HJR2 ! And you need to admit that IS what it is about - money!

4thgentrapper
4thgentrapper

Wife beating? I guess I didn't know THAT was an Idaho pastime! Have I been missing out? R22, you just made a fool of yourself with that idiocy. My family has trapped in Idaho for a long, very long time. My dad and brothers taught me how. Gamps taught my dad. We're not sure who taught Gamps. One thing I'm certain of, though, is that respect for women and natural resources (they didn't call animals and wildlife that in Gamps' time) was the religion my family worshiped. We still do. And, I venture to say, we still need to abide by our tradition of treating women right, and trapping our natural resources responsibly.

read22
read22

Your "natural resources" are innocent animals just doing what animals do; trying to stay alive. Your "family tradition" is not about anything except pelts for which you get money, why don't all of you own up to the fact that that is why you trap? It has nothing do with keeping a natural balance. And yes, wife beating, was considered a man's right. ( And it still is as we look at the statistics of abuse of women,) Hiding your head in the sand on that issue, doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just like trapping doesn't happen for money, nothing more nothing less. As a fourth generation Idahoan, previous generations in my family did trap, I have the ugly photos to prove it; it is a cruel, inhumane barbaric practice that should be outlawed. Fish and game can take care of any over population if they insist trapping is a necessity; you just do it because you want the $$$$. I haven't spent a penny on this issue, but I intend to after reading the sales job of the money grubbing killers in these responses!

grizzly877
grizzly877

Trapping needs to go. There is tons and tons of evidence how there of traps killing many dogs and non-target wildlife. Traps have proven to be a serious threat to people's pets and all kinds of wildlife. Any trap on public lands needs to be destroyed immediately as traps pose a very big risk to people's dogs and all kinds of wildlife. Here is what one trapper in Montana said.

Montana Trappers Association member Dennis "Foothold" Schutz wrote, "We trappers do cause pain and suffering to animals and apologize to no one.

Go to google and type in dogs killed by traps. You will see many stories and even hunting dogs are at risk. There is no debating the obvious. The many many stories of traps catching and killing animals, both domestic and wild prove that trapping poses a very serious risk to animals. All traps on public lands need to be immediately destroyed.

Boley
Boley

Money? I'll show you my records from this last season read22. I spent $1,750.53 cents I should say donated to FurBearers Unlimited. I Spent $26.75 on my trapping liscense, I spent $895.00 in gasoline. I caught a fur value of less than $300.00. I supported wildlife, supported the economy and protected live stock and property for private landowners. I also balanced the populations of muskrats so I will always have a few to trap. So yeah it's about the money, it's not in my pocket. It's out there doing some good.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Are you sick in the head? Since when is killing and trapping wildlife considered a "sport"? You are one sick puppy. There is NOTHING sporting about killing or trapping wildlife. Trapping is cruel and inhumane and it kills PETS and all kinds of wildlife, but you prefer dead wildlife over alive wildlife.

grizzly877
grizzly877

You are something. Trapping is not cruel or inhumane? Tell that to all of the pet owners WHO LOST their dogs to your worthless traps.

freetrapper
freetrapper

I know the video you refer to, Read22. Ironic that you should endorse a video made by an anti-trapping organization that 'infiltrated' legal trapping by hiring an inept licensed trapper who agreed to demonstrate methods that denigrated the modern trapper.

But, that's what you're all about; lies, misinformation, a nearly religious mantra that somehow animals and humans are equals, etc. I would not be surprised one bit if you were part of the finances for that video you promote.

The trappers I know use best management practices (BMPs), as outlined by the IDFG after years of sound management and scientific study. And after all, one of your crowd, Kathy Richmond (Sierra Club, avowed predator protectionista) stated that IDFG biologists are the best suited people to make wildlife management decisions. She's right, and the IDFG said that hunting and trapping are two of the most important tools available to manage wildlife.

Furthermore, how DO species get relocated to areas in the name of 'repopulation'? Aren't they TRAPPED, then moved to the new location, and released UNHARMED?

Falcon
Falcon

playing devils advocate here... what if trapping goes away? i guess that means i can't trap wild falcons to hunt with?
well then, sign me up for the amendment. you got my YES vote on hjr2!

grizzly877
grizzly877

This story is a perfect example of what trappers do to dogs. This dog lost both of its legs in a leg hold trap, but these trappers go on about how leg hold traps don't hurt the trapped animal. Another fact that trappers fail to admit is that animals sometimes chew their legs off to get themselves out of the trap. More and more proof that traps pose a very big risk to pets and all kinds of animals. Just more reason to destroy any trap you see.

Here is the story.I feel bad for this dog and its owners. All because of some trapper. This dog was in a leg hold trap for DAYS.

http://www.localnews8.com/news/Lost-puppy-returns-injured-by-apparent-animal-trap/-/308662/15567226/-/8q1hdg/-/index.html

4thgentrapper
4thgentrapper

Grizzly877 is the epitome of the anti-trapper who seeks to slander trappers by spreading a continuous stream of lies and anti-trapping rhetoric to the masses.

I read the story, Girlzzy877, and I am not surprised that you fell into the 'trap' the writer intended. I certainly hope that most others who read that story realize that it was written from an anti-trapping perspective.

First of all, my own dog is terrified of fireworks. That means I take extraordinary precautions with my dog during fireworks season.

Then, the injuries the dog in the story suffered were defined as resulting from an unknown source. The dog could have been run over, or gotten her feet stuck in a drainage grate, no one knows for sure. The comments about the cause of the injuries were conjecture, period.

Was a trap left set on public land around the fourth of July? That would be unwise and unusual, because the trap could only be legally set by a private trapper for foxes, coyotes, badgers and skunks at that time of year, a time when there is no value to the fur. Why would a private trapper do that? I don’t know of a single trapper in Idaho who would set a trap on public land for those animals around the fourth of July, and I’m not entirely certain that a trap set on public land, at that time, for those animals mentioned would actually be legal. I’d have to research that.

Any number of things could have caused that dog's injuries, and the only reason the story made the news was because someone wanted to further an anti-trapping agenda.

If I was an editor of a public newspaper I would have been ashamed to print that story.

Furthermore, after reading that story, I believe that the dog owners should be charged with animal cruelty citations for not properly conditioning their dog to fireworks, or for not taking precautions to prevent injury to the dog as a result of its fear of fireworks. This is irresponsible pet ownership on display, not bad trapping behavior.

freetrapper
freetrapper

I read the story, too. It is unlikely that dog was injured by a trap. The more likely cause is that soft-footed, indoor pet got cheat grass between its hind toes while it was on the run. As the cheat grass traveled up its leg it chewed in agony on the infection. This happens so often in Idaho that I cannot fathom why the vet didn't suggest that as the cause. To omit that possibility in the story is a breach of the public's trust.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Why is it unlikely that the dog was injured by the trap? Dogs get injured and killed by traps all the time. You trappers don't like it when you are exposed to the public. Do you really want me to post links to a lot of stories about dogs getting killed by traps?

grizzly877
grizzly877

Lies? You want links to stories about traps killing dogs? I got plenty of them. Traps are a THREAT to dogs and all kinds of wildlife and that is why traps should be destroyed on sight. I could say the same thing about hound hunters who let their mutts chase and harass dangerous unpredictable wild animals. This is irresponsible pet ownership. You trappers cannot deny the obvious facts. I got links to many stories about traps killing people's pets.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Anyone who opposes trapping is anti-trapping to you correct? The anti-trappers are the ones that care about wildlife. Trapping should be outlawed. It kills dogs, wildlife, etc. You cannot deny the truth any longer. There is irrefutable proof out there that shows that traps have killed many dogs and they kill non-target wildlife. They are indiscriminate.

Boley
Boley

A lot of personal opinions being thrown out by those advocating against trapping. If any were to site their references I'm sure they would be studies backed by an anti (hunting, fishing, trapping) organization.

Here's some links to studies that prove the benefits of trapping, predator control and game management.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=icwdmsheepgoat&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dantelope%2Bpredation%2Bstudy%26form%3DMSNH14%26qs%3Dn%26sk%3D%26x%3D0%26y%3D0#search=%22antelope%20predation%20study%22

http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/media/pr/2010/100922-PredatorManagement.php

By voting yes on HJR2 you will protect the Idaho Fish and Game from frivolous lawsuits in the management of Idahos wildlife and our heritage.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Here are some links that proves that trapping kills people's dogs.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/138013713.html?refer=y

http://www.kentucky.com/2012/01/07/2018709/dog-killed-in-animal-trap-at-paris.html

http://www.lex18.com/news/another-dog-dies-after-being-caught-in-animal-trap/

http://www.presspubs.com/white_bear/news/article_b6642c1c-51ef-11e1-8263-0019bb2963f4.html

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/01/26/minnesota-man-says-dnr-hidden-traps-are-killing-pets/

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/05/16/dog-owners-concerned-over-traps-even-after-legislation-passes/

http://www.seriousbirdhunting.com/2012/01/16/hunting-dogs-being-killed-in-traps/

http://www.wlns.com/story/18860048/trapping-dangers


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/01/31/hemmingford-dog-trap.html

This is just a few of the many stories about people's dogs getting caught and sometimes killed by traps. It is obvious that traps pose a very big risk to dogs. That is why traps need to be disposed of.

LoveOutdoors
LoveOutdoors

Grizzly,
Your fanatical repetition of statements regarding the supposed threat traps pose to dogs will miraculously make it true and it will not sway an educated public.

The truth is getting struck by lightening poses a bigger threat to pets than getting caught in a trap.

And the reality is that the public, along with hunters and fishermen are NOT joining your cause because they see through the fanatical attempt to reduce freedom and push your personal agenda.

Reducing the freedoms of all, in an attempt to manage the indiscreations of the few is no longer an acceptable policy. And your fanatical attempt to convince yourself and others that traps pose a threat will not work.

Vote yes on HJR2 and preserve your freedom. Even if trapping is not important to you, the freedom to do so is.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Many more people oppose trapping than support it. The public knows that trapping is indiscriminate and they know that trapping kills MANY dogs. These trappers cannot refute the many stories of people's dogs being killed by their worthless traps.Trappers are nervous because the majority are turning against them. They are seeing trapping for what it really is. A worthless so called sport that kills people's dogs and kills all kinds of wildlife. Trapping has NO PLACE on our public lands.

Boley
Boley

I'm seeing an increased intrest in trapping. Currently there are well over 25 people signed up for a trapper education class the Idaho Trappers Association is putting on with other classes soon to follow because of the intrest. When a well trained trapper that follows the Best Management Practices is out trapping the public rarely even knows he or she is even there. With the benefits listed by the studies I posted earlier how can you say trapping has no place on OUR public lands. Educated trappers, responsible dog owners, training and cooperation will allow everyone to use OUR PUBLIC LANDS.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Well over 25 people? Yeah, that's not what I would call an increased interest. Trapping has no place on our public lands because it's shown time and time again it poses a very real threat to dogs and traps catch and kill NON-TARGET WILDLIFE. These 2 important reasons alone that trapping should be banned. Trapping is not a sport. It most certainly is not supported by the majority. Trappers call trapping humane and not cruel. I'd loved for these trappers to say that to all of the pet owners whose dogs were killed by their traps.

Boley
Boley

Educated trappers, responsible dog owners, training and cooperation will allow everyone to use OUR PUBLIC LANDS.

grizzly877
grizzly877

Many dog owners are responsible. They don't know where the traps are. You trappers try to downplay the real and serious threat that your traps pose to dogs. Not to mention that traps are indiscriminate and they can catch and kill any animal.

Hawk's view
Hawk's view

There are an increasing number of people that try to deny reality. They seem to believe that a human can go through life without impacting other life. That is a myth, of course, even though some religious sects carry brushes to assure they don't crush an insect while walking.
The *use* of animals is viewed as a right in most of society but some don't want to see it. I can see a cow as a hamburger and know exactly how it gets that way. Some don't have a clue.
I can see the value in fur and know how a wild or tame mink becomes a stole or a coyote becomes a coat. Some don't.

Some don't realize that every human body on earth is populated by about the same number of microscopic life as there are humans on earth. They don't want to think about what happens to a vast number of them when they shower (so some don't). Does 'life' matter only when you can see it? Why not the same reverence for eyelash lice (everybody has them) as your pet dog?

If you say ALL life is precious and should be preserved, you paralyze human existence. So, where is the line drawn? At what you can see? At what is rare? At what *you* love?
Do you trap your mice or feed them poison? Wait til a packrat takes up housekeeping in the dishwasher!
How many of your friends use a lip hook trap for fish?

Trapping is part of human nature and it will not be denied. It would be nice to have it recognized and written down. Vote YES on HJR2. I can see a ban on mouse traps in our future if the Utopians take over. Fads come and go, reality is durable.

grizzly877
grizzly877

How many names do you have on here? traps are a big danger to pets and non-target wildlife and they should be destroyed on sight. Vote no on hjr2 if you care about wildlife and pets.

Boley
Boley

More pets and "non-target" or non-game wildlife are killed by vehicle traffic than by traps.

EthicalOne
EthicalOne

Trapping is nothing but indulging in sadism.

Trappers are horrible human beings and they hate animals. They blame animals and hate animals you love if you're an ARA. People like that deserves NO dignity.

Also that population control thing is an inbred hick redneck excuse.
They will use this redneck inbred hick excuse to justify sport killing and use this lame disease thing to get away with killing healthy animals and leaving the sick roaming.
Trappers will blame animals over their enemies.
They will trap more if you anger them, trapping more means poaching.

Trappers and sportsmen are very distance from nature, they destroy it not protecting it.
Sportmen hicks always prejudice against nature.
sportsmen are far the opposite of ECO, They are all EGOs.
If you ever heard of that thing from IUCN and World Pantheism Movement.
Called EGO vs ECO.
http://zaxtor.net/PantheismViews.jpg

They believe in their religion saying god gave dominion over land and sea. They always say this trashy slogan of god put animals for us to use. God doesn't exist. These people are soo deluded by ideas made up by NORMAL people they've never met. This is promoting speciesism and hate crimes toward nature.
People believing in trappers are ignorants, sadists and deluded by this cult called trapping.
Trappers are losers living on their forums even off seasons, they talk about trapping EVERYDAY, it's not normal. they obsess on it.

They're soo stereotypes ignorants, bigotry toward wolves and genocidal stance on the species. majorities of these hicks are right-wings and Christians. Sportsmen are soo speciesism and anthropocentrism is considered hate crimes and genocidal crimes against nature. Right wing stances for
anti-environment , pro-oil and pro-drilling in Western world.
If you ever evaluated the republican party of USA and Canada.

Trappers obsess on pro-use, they hug FWS which these horrible human being wants to pass a thing to do a unlimited wolf trapping.
Also they want to trap coyote at night which risks to put the red wolves extinct because red wolves looks soo alike the coyote.
I saw a trapper posting a coyote looking like a red wolve and these hicks had no idea if it was a red wolf or a coyote and it was at broad daylight.

Here is the true nature of trapping. All pictures were collected from trappers forums starting there.
I watch their forums like a hawk in my free time.
http://zaxtor.net/Trapping.htm#NONARA

Trappers will abuse animals in their trapline and these hicks and their hick organizations will say nothing wrong with doing it.
http://zaxtor.net/trappers_abuse_animals_on_their_traplines.htm

Is bad enough trappers are ashamed to be trappers and hiding their dispatching methods by via PM, they're scared of the public these hermits. They're not proud trappers.
We all know how they dispatch. Since I launched this site trappers hide their dispatching methods which prove they're ashamed to be trappers.
They know they're cruel but they don't care because they're horrible human beings, apathy and anti-Earth.
They will support ANY liars that are on their side even if the liars are founded by tobacco giants.
Even if the founder is a convicted drunk driver.

Also trappers hypocrisy when they are crying about fake-fur and polyster made of oil but they wear polyester.

Where do 90 to 100% of the fur trappers gather goes, on what coat it goes on?
http://zaxtor.net/RFINRB.htm

Funny part is they mostly go on polyester coat's fur trim.
If you wonder what kind of fur these coat has.
Is coyote fur, raccoon fur, fox furs, beaver fur etc.
Yes the most commonly trapped animals.

Ole
Ole

There are extremist ideas on every side of every issue and the truth is usuallly somewhere in the middle. Some might argue that shooting an elk is inhumane. Watching a calf elk die of starvation because there are too many elk on a hillside is not a pleasant human experience. Most wildlife species produce more that their habitat can support. Annually taking the surplus of any renewable resource for human use is a principle of conservation in North America. Trapping already has a set of rules and to take this activity out of the hands of the legislative body of the state robs many Idahoans of their opportunity to shape their future use of furbearing resources.

208trapper
208trapper

ok hippies go back to inner city cali.
idaho does just fine without you. we dont need your help.
idaho just like the rest of this country was founded by fur trappers.
it cracks me up to think that all you hippies complaining about how inhumane trapping is prolly decended from a great trapper somewere down the line.
dont want your dog caught in a trap obey the effing leash laws.
dont want to step in a trap yourself dont worry it wont happen.
wanna save an entire population of wild animals pick up a rifle, bow, or traps and start helping instead of sitting there at your computer complaining about something you know absolutly nothing about.
for god sakes there is not a trap in my shed that will break a pencil let alone crush a bone.
dont believe meet with me ill prove it to you.
rubber pads on my trap jaws just for comfort.
seriously you hippies need to get together and come up with something to do play a bongo or didg. or weave some hemp or something.
when was the last time one of you that is so against trapping stepped into the woods? how many of you are sitting at your computer in the city?
most of you could not even identify the same animals your so against us harvesting.
grow up people make something useful of yourselves.


as for HJR2 you best believe my vote is yes

Patrick B Carney
Patrick B Carney

In this story, it is stated that {trapping trips up some Idahoans} however the truth is,in a poll done by IDF&G 68% of Idahoans support trapping. Lets look at EthicalOne"s post, he clearly states that trappers and sportsmen are very distant from nature. He couldn"t be more wrong, we are the group that protects and supports the animals we harvest, yes harvest. we care if they starve from over population, or die from disease. It's not about trapping,it's about using any animal for food, clothing, protecting ones self, etc. Thank GOD yes God and Senator.Heider that we will be able to VOTE YES on HJR2 to protect the RIGHT to Hunt, Fish, and Trap, for future generations. Oh yes, and read22 you can donate at www.idahotrappers.com Thank You for your support

Patrick B Carney
Patrick B Carney

As I read these anti everything dribble, I have come to realize that we as outdoorsmen and women, must all help the nonconsumptive outdoor users, understand what we love. The outwitting of an animal no matter how you did it. The frosty mist, the smell of the aspen, the bugle of an elk, the howl of a coyote or a wolf, the tracks left and story deciphered from them.. These little things that we do everyday that we can. We forget that some don't know these things. Lets share with some of them. Lets let them know how important it is to help us pass HJR2 not just for trappers, hunters, and fishermen but for the ones that aren't even born yet. Lets make sure that those little girls and boys are able to go fishing, hunting, and trapping with Grandpa. dad, a brother, sister, mom, uncle.etc. VOTE YES on HJR2

budpg
budpg

If you go on the Idaho trappers Assoc website there are pictures of a little girl who is exposed to this animal torture. There are also photos of a "Trapper" posing like Josh Bransford with a live coyote. These people are SADISTS, and they like it. They hate wildlife- and they have absolutely no connection or a clue as to what stewardship of natural resources consists of..... They are takers. Most of them are illiterate. The biggest problem is the cowardly legislators in these redneck States that protect them.

Boley
Boley

I am voting yes on HJR2. If your on the fence please read through these posts. Look at the scientific studies offered by true biologists. If you don't "like" trapping but hunt or fish again look through these posts. The animal rights folks on here are saying it outright, they want it all to stop.

I wouldn't trap if it wasn't a challenge, if it were inhumane, or if it were to hurt the populations of animals that I truely love. By the way budpg, the coyote in that picture was released unharmed she still has all four legs and all four feet."I follow the best management practices." she raised a small den of pups, 6 at last count made it through the summer. My daughter is involved in everything I do, that's how family should be. She may not want to hunt, fish or trap when she's grown, but if she does I want her to have that right to choose to participate in the outdoors the way she wants. That's why I am voting yes.

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