DIETRICH • A Dietrich science teacher is being investigated by the state’s professional standards commission after a complaint from parents over his teaching methods.

Tim McDaniel is being investigated after a complaint was filed by a handful of parents who objected to how McDaniel taught the reproductive system, Dietrich Superintendent Neil Hollingshead said.

According to the parents, McDaniel should have given parents more notification about his possible controversial lesson content.

The Dietrich parents are responsible for bringing the complaint before the Dietrich school board. That also led to an investigation by the Idaho Professional Standards Commission.

The state investigation includes allegations that McDaniel taught sex education material in his science class, taught forms of birth control, shared confidential student files with an individual other than their parents, told inappropriate jokes and showed a video clip in class that showed a genital herpes infection.

“As a parent, I want to be notified in advance that this content is going to be taught in class,” said Katie Norman, one of the three parents who raised concerns at the March 12 school board meeting. Norman said she attended the meeting with Jaylyn Shaw and Melinda Robertson.

Together, they raised objections to McDaniel’s science lesson content on the reproduction system. Shaw did not return phone calls from the Times-News, and Robertson’s husband said he and his wife did not want to comment.

Hollingshead told the Times-News on Wednesday that while there is an investigation going on, McDaniel has not been suspended.

“It is highly unlikely it would end with his dismissal,” Hollingshead said. “Maybe a letter of reprimand from the school board.”

“I teach straight out of the textbook, I don’t include anything that the textbook doesn’t mention,” McDaniel said. “But I give every student the option not attend this class when I teach on the reproductive system if they don’t feel comfortable with the material.”

He said that the 10th grade science class includes information on birth control and sexually transmitted diseases because the school’s health teacher declines to teach the material.

“Since I started working here about 17 years ago, I agreed to teach about the reproduction system because I was comfortable with it and he wasn’t,” McDaniel said. “This is the first time someone has objected to the material.”

According to McDaniel, the science class is not for sex education. However, for next year, McDaniel said he plans on giving more parental notification.

“It’s important to teach this to kids,” he said. “Hopefully, the students are being abstinent but most of these students will be getting married a year or two after graduation and they need to know about this.”

According to McDaniel, the commission is also investigating a complaint that accuses him of using school property to promote a political candidate. The complaint was because he showed the climate change film “An Inconvenient Truth,” also in his science class.

McDaniel said he includes the film to spark a discussion on climate change among the students. After watching the film, he asks students to write a response paper explaining their thoughts on climate change.

“I’m not looking for one answer, I just want them to be able to explain what they believe,” he said.

The investigation prompted a Facebook group titled “SAVE THE SCIENCE TEACHER!!”, dedicated to supporting McDaniel. By Thursday, the group had topped more than 2,300 members, up from the 100 members it had on Monday, March 25.

The increase in membership is partly a result of the national news media attention the story has gained since the story broke on Wednesday, March 26.

McDaniel is hoping group members will write to the state commission supporting his teaching content and methods.

“This sort of thing makes you worry about what you teach,” he said. “That’s not right.”

Along with the standards commission, the issue is also being brought before the Dietrich school board, Hollingshead said.

Hollingshead said the board is reviewing the situation but no decision has been made.

While McDaniel feels confident he won’t be fired, he said he doesn’t think it’s fair if he has to sign a letter of reprimand.

“I’ve done nothing wrong,” he said. “I told them I won’t sign it.”

McDaniel said he planned to submit a letter to the state commission Thursday, March 28, responding to the investigation.

(104) comments

kathereene

This is totally wrong! Homeschool if you don't like the curriculum.

gale glenn

As being a Grandmother of one of Mr. McDanials students, I was in the class as a visitor when the biology class was being thought and I saw nothing wrong with what was being thought. I think that if these kids know how and where babies are concived it might stop some of the unwantd pregnacey by our young girls that are 12 and up. This happens because some parents are afraid to talk to their kids about orgasems and vaginas and the changes that their bodies go though in thier addalesant years, and some of these kids mature earleyer than others. I knoww of at least five young girls that have given birth to babies in the last 12 months..

MikeMike
MikeMike

Great comments Gale.

Missusward

This is disgusting! How dare he teach such a thing! I can only hope that when the time comes, my children are educated properly... By hearing it all from their friends or learning by trial and error! WHAT is this world coming to?

soldier10thmoutain

well if it is so disgusting why does your children sit in the class when they have the oppurtunity to not sit in and listen to what is taught???

harry

I believe that was meant to be sarcastic...

Marisa44
Marisa44

Joke dude, sarcasm.

Andrew
Andrew

As one of his former students the Way parents are acting is Absurd. Just because You are an LDS town does not mean that proper education should be discarded.

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

As someone from a very different part of the country, Mormon areas are incredibly creepy.

Here in Louisiana, sure, New Orleans is pretty openly Catholic, but it's not like you're stepping onto another planet when you enter a more rural Baptist town.

I guess these LDS towns aren't bothered by the fact that non-LDS humans are weirded out by the vary notion of a theocratic municipality.

Juana
Juana

Yeah the Catholics are more open to teach your children it is OK marriages between same sex, or have sex, or show your butt or chest when you go to church I know Catholics ppl I was in for many years, a least some Mormons ppl are more morals than others and show examples too.

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

Is it just me or is the very notion of an "LDS town" deeply disturbing? I didn't think America allowed theocratic governments, even on the municipal level.

ElJefe

If your religious foundation is so shaky that learning accurate scientific terms and their definition is offensive perhaps you should reconsider your beliefs?

luckyone

Really what a group of MORONS. You really think your children haven't heard about the reproductive system by the 10th grade. You must live under a rock....... I have to break it to you, but kids are talking about it in the 1st grade and when todays society is 12 to 13 years of age experience sex,,,, your kids need to be educated properly. If you as parents haven't broke the news to them by 15 you are doing a big disservice to them. Come on, what are the bulls doing to the cows in the field, wrestling... You are really stupid....... Go Mr. McDaniel, you deserve a raise.

304000

Very well said : )

Juana
Juana

I agree, I taught my daughters when they were in pre and Kindergarten their part of their tiny bodies call their body with their real names. Parents need to know what their children are learning at school, math, science, language etc, we have the change of technology, internet, phone, cell, etc, btu we need to beware how when we can teach our children, depends or their age and brain, Mr. McDaniel is doing part of his job, how about your part to teach your kids at home, I know teachers don't have time to teach them one by one or take time with them because they teach about between 28 to 31 students per class. It is our responsibility to teach them and communicate with our children teachers.

youngone

I'm 73 years old and wish I could have had that class back in the 50's. My parents gave me a medical book and said to ask if I had any questions.

Jhelsley

This is pretty pathetic that one of the best teachers in this school district is getting accused of wrong doing for teaching the same thing he has for years!
Mr McDaniel is one of the few teachers in that school district I would love to teach my kids!

Juana
Juana

I don't know him but I support him, I am living in Pocatello, Only I can say, parents you guys need to thanks Mr. McDaniel to try to educate and teach your children, comunication, phone calls, emails etc be open and not ridiculous.

HHelsley

Who the heck would report this Teacher for teaching Sex ed? I would rather have a teacher teach it than have a student get STDs being dumb!! s3x education is in the SCHOOL BOOKS printed by the state, and HECK in 5th and 6th grade we take puberty class and then in 8th grade in Health watch the miracle of life video, where a baby is born, so what if a picture of the sex organs are shown and its taught what they do or what STDS look like....... AND JUST A LITTLE ADDED PART.. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REPORTED HIM THINK ABOUT WHO YOUR OLDEST KIDS, YOUR FAMILY MEMBER'S BIO TEACHER WAS... Your oldest kids, Your spouse, and maybe even yourself... if he wasn't a bad teacher than why would he change it for your younest kids.. heck are any of your kids even in his class?!? yeah better check yourself before judging someone else... besides being what your religion is this just proves that some mormons are more judgmental than others! I would have loved having Mr. McDaniel as my teacher :D I love his family and look at them like my own!!!

Juana
Juana

It is good to teach our kids that because they will know, men and women are only people who bring human in this planet, not same sex marriage. I am not against those gays people, I respect them because they are human like us but what they want and doing I complete disapprove it.

soldier10thmoutain

this is outrageous that these people would do this. not one time while i was in high school was there a complaint. if those rediculous parents had a problem why wasnt it brought up before, why not now? see the questions the state and the school board need to ask those parents if why is it a problem now and not before because they saw it an oppurtunity to strike. if he is teaching this subject for the past 18 years why a problem now??? well there might be one thing i can come upon there might be some hatred from the parents and they would like to see this man fired.

JessHelsley

I am incredibly proud to be an Idahoan. I have spent every day of my life proud of the fact that I grew up in a state that is famous for its incredible mountain ranges, whitewater rivers, and incredible history. However, when asked about where I am from, I am NOT AT ALL proud to tell the rest of the world that I spent the majority of my learning years in Dietrich, Idaho. My family moved to Dietrich when I was in the 3rd grade. From the first day I attended school in the Dietrich School District, until the day that I graduated from that same school, I was ridiculed because I was considered an unfit member of the community. Because my family did not attend the same church that the rest of the community attended, I was considered a heathen, and was not allowed to play with certain kids that were in my class. I was looked down upon by a community for 10 years. This form of bullying is not something that I would wish upon any child; no matter their race, religion, or sexual orientation.
It was a privilege to be a student in Mr. McDaniel's class. He was one of the few teachers that did not care what religion I practiced. Rather, he focused on my interest in the scientific field and gave me the confidence to pursue science- even when the school district was not willing to fund an actual science lab with working equipment. Thankfully, there is now a lab with functional equipment. Unfortunately, Dietrich still appears to be a community that desires to demean and ridicule the talented individuals working to educate the greater good. I may not be proud to have grown up in Dietrich, Idaho, but I am proud to have endured. I, unlike a number of my peers from Dietrich High, did not fall into the uneducated biological trap of unintentional parenting. I, thanks to the encouragement of Tim McDaniel and other mentors, went on to pursue a collegiate degree in a scientific field, and continue that pursuit as a funded researcher at the University of Idaho. Stand proud Mr. McDaniels. Science is science, and clouding science with religion- as the Dietrich School Board has done for too many years is not only illegal, but immoral. There is truly no one better than you to teach science like it is! Invite me as a guest lecturer and we will raise the roof of Dietrich High.

DianaR
DianaR

*applause*

Twin Falls Mom
Twin Falls Mom

No where in this article is it stated that these are or are not LDS views or teachings. I am LDS and I teach my children the proper names of things and they know about sex. I grow tired of people blaming issues of a few people on our church. We all have our freedoms and some people are more lenient with those freedoms than others. Parents teach their children what they want and some leave it to others. Right or wrong, it's still their choice. I teach my children to be friendly to everyone and they have many friends that are not the same faith as us. That is what we are taught. I support this teacher even though I don't know the entire story, as there is always another side. Parents have a right to know what is being taught to their children and if a grandmother can sit in the class as a visitor I'm sure any of these other parents could have done the same also. As far as him showing a political movie, parents should talk to their children about their political beliefs. It's a movie. It causes discussions. Teach your children to question everything and not accept anything at face value. If you show one side, show the other. Grrrrr........I could write a book on this.....

HHelsley

Well even though the article does not state which religion if any of those that made the allegations... 99% of that Community is Mormon and also The people that know the family or know the people that reported it are mormon so thats why everyone is saying they are MORMON not just assuming they are but they KNOW they are

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

"Parents teach their children what they want and some leave it to others. Right or wrong, it's still their choice."

I will choose to teach my children the truth, no ifs ands or buts. Personally, I think lying is bad, but then I'm not religious so I guess my moral compass can't be trusted.

IdahoBeekeeper

Folks. Let's just calm down for a minute and think about this. Schools in communities that are predominately LDS have been teaching the word vag*** for decades. Wouldn't you think that if a complaint were filed at the state level about this that they wouldn't even respond? They wouldn't even bother to respond to the complaint, much less investigate! Just think through this logically. There has to be more to this or another complaint. The comments here and on FB seem to be taking the turn that this is the only problem. Just think how silly that is! The State Professional Standards Commission would not waste their time or effort, not to mention money investigating the use of the word vag***. I have friends in Dietrich, and they are telling me that the school board has approved the class, and the teacher for next year and the years to come. I repeat. They have approved the class, and the teacher. Now, think about what is being said here and what is being said on FB and just take a minute and come to some conclusions, and maybe ask some questions. I don't know the full story, but there has to be more to it than what we are being lead to believe.

Juana
Juana

Why people focuses about the teacher belief, almost everyone said he is a Mormom or LDS, why don't say he is a teacher.

304000

This is hilarious!! OMG the teacher used the "V" word. What the heck is he supposed to call it? Your private, your JJ, your hoochie? Come on people, how the heck did the parents of the students that were offended produce their children? Cut the apron strings, they're in 10th grade and are probably having sex.

SKC_ID

A possible letter of reprimand for teaching 10th grade students the proper name for female body parts and how those parts function?? The state’s professional standards commission should be ashamed of themselves for even considering that. This country could use many more teachers who view teaching the way this man does!

Guy
Guy

Science teachers should not promote ideologically driven versions of a subject. These parents are right to insist that reproductive biology is not taught as fact; equal prominence should be given to all scientific theories of human reproduction, including the Stork Theory and the Gooseberry Bush Model. To teach children that babies are the result of sex is to impose a narrow and materialistic view of the subject which fails to properly credit the miracle of birth to Our Lord Jesus Christ. With heathen teaching like this who knows, these kids may grow up to be rapists, murderers or - surely worse! - atheists.

The climate film is a different matter. That is clearly fiction. Everybody knows that global warming is a chimera erected by liberals and all we have to do to stop it is to legislate to prevent scientists using predictive modelling. As soon as they stop with this modelling nonsense, the so-called "problem" goes away.

Bruddaman

So the man taught his students about female reproductive organs but did you also know that he has adopted "over 20" kids? Not only that they are all of a different ethnic group then Mr. Mcdaniels and 98% of the rest of the community? Could it be that these accusations are racially motiviated by a potentially bigetted community to remove the Mcdaniels from the town to re-establish a predominately white LDS community? maybe not..I guess we will have to wait and see.

scottmphoto

And this, folks, is why we refuse to bring any children into this stupid, stupid world.

Pro Education

First of all Mr. McDaniels may I offer my condolences, it must be very difficult as an educator to be going through this. You must feel betrayed and hurt that you are being judged for doing the right thing. I would also like to say it must be very hard to teach a biology course and not use the proper terms for body parts. You will have to spend a lot of time thinking of other names for not only the <agina but also the heart, lungs, intestines...because if one body part is inappropriate then they all are. Furthermore, to the parents I would like to say if you feel it is inappropriate for your child to learn biology at school then teach it to them at home. But do YOU know the biology of an orga$m? If not then leave it to the professionals and foster an environment at home where your children can have open conversation with the knowledge of those facts and confidence of following your belief system. And lastly it is really sad that once again we are communicating a message to young girls "your body parts are inappropriate we don't talk about that".
To the school board - do a better job of supporting your teachers and education. This is really disappointing.

Keep up the great work Mr. McDaniels!

(Apparently even Times news has filters for these words :/)

Pro Education

*Mr. McDaniel

dwarner
dwarner

Our filter is set to default, meaning there is a long list of words that aren't allowed that we didn't specifically choose. I've made a change so that "vagina" no longer is filtered. Thanks. -Dan Warner, Online Editor dwarner@magicvalley.com.

Edited by staff.

marshallisland

As Mr. McDaniel's wife I want to thank everyone for the overwhelming support! I also want everyone to know that we as a family do not hate those who made the complaint. It is unfortunate that this all happened the way it did and we really wish the circumstances were different. We ourselves belong to the same church that everyone is discussing and I want to emphasize that the church states that proper terminology should be used and taught to our children at a young age without embarrassment or shame. I hope we can all find a quick solution to this problem and put our differences behind us. Hopefully the State Department of Education will come to the same conclusion that he is not guilty of the allegations made.

Thanks again for all your support!

yzariah
yzariah

I hope your husband files a complaint to the world about the ignorance of whoever reported this. This entire incident shames ALL females by making it an ordeal to discuss the very biology of their gender. And I hope that the child of said parent who complained tells their parents, "but I think women should should have the right to be educated on real biology. For this is the stuff we will need to know for college."

Perhaps your husband can ask the school to address the very anti-woman nature of this complaint, stating all people-- especially girls-- have the right to be educated on the biology of their body.

IdahoBeekeeper

yzariah, perhaps you can look at the revised article above, which includes the full list of allegations, and tell me which part of it is specifically anti-woman. This article should never have been written until the list of allegations could be included.

Bruddaman

who cares...the point of the matter is IdahoBeekeeper is that he's innocent, the accusations are false and your opinion does not matter.

yzariah
yzariah

Easy, the part where people got upset over the word VAGINA.

"According to McDaniel, four parents were offended that he explained the biology of an o-rgasm and included the word “vagina” during his lesson on the human reproductive system in a tenth-grade biology course."

Guess you can't use scientific terms on this site either, weird.

DianaR
DianaR

No, we don't know all of the details, but if the complainants freaked out over the words "va--na" and "org--m" and felt a movie on climate change was "political propaganda"... then I can only imagine how ridiculous their complaints are about the "inappropriate" jokes and language are.

And remember... this is a town consisting of not much more than 300 people. "Confidential" is a lot to expect. People know the good and the bad, and what they don't know, they probably make up. In addition, from what I have heard about Mr. McDaniel, he truly cares about his students. IF he actually violated a student's confidentiality, I'd be willing there was a very good reason. Perhaps he didn't feel that it was safe to go to the parents. Who knows?

I don't know Mr. McDaniel but I am only too familiar with the mindset of those who are attacking him. And in America, he is innocent until proven guilty, no matter what the "list of allegations" states.

(Times-News still not accepting "v******" and/or "org***"??)

IdahoBeekeeper

Well, as I understand it, and from the information that I have, nobody objected to the use of the word in the proper context. But, it does add fuel to the fire and gives all of you an opportunity to make ridiculous commentary. And, Bruddaman, you are right. My opinion doesn't matter. In the midst of the raging fire, one garden hose spewing common sense and reason will have little effect.

dwarner
dwarner

@DianaR and @yzariah: If those words are spelled correctly they should be accepted... I've added additional safeguards to ensure they're accepted. If there's still an issue let me know so that I can report a technical problem. Thanks. -Dan Warner, Online Editor dwarner@magicvalley.com

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

People who think "I drank a cup of coffee" is blasphemy think he told an off-color joke? Nope, don't care.

People who think that orgasms don't exist also don't think that climate change exists? Don't care about that either.

Not sure what's been added by these "allegations".

SeaSideSister
SeaSideSister

You must be so proud of your husband. What a difference he is making to the entire country! Bravo!

janiswings

Hi Shelly. I have met you and your husband and know the wonderful work you do with your kids and your family. How small minded of Idaho to do this. I really hope this works out for you guys. It would be a shame for this to affect his life any further for doing what a teacher should do....teach.

eagleboy

Thank goodness he didn't say peni$...ooops!

fisher1061

Idaho is truely a wonderful and beautiful state. I was born here and raised in the religion that keeps being brought up. That religion says or teaches nothing that would have inspired the complaints. The problem is Idaho is filled with closed minded people of of all religious faiths who were raised by repressed dim wits thinking that hiding things make them not so.

fisher1061

P.S The teacher needs support. He did a great job. I wish my daughters and granddaughters had one of his caliber

SeaSideSister
SeaSideSister

Is there some type of Facebook page where additional support can be expressed? I am 44 years old and have finally decided to become a teacher and this is just incredibly pathetic. However, ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER! I'm so proud of Mr. McDaniel to stand up and not cave in to the school system that wants to appease a few people. Thank YOU!!

DianaR
DianaR

https://www.facebook.com/events/312414205551724/

dowhat2who
dowhat2who

First of all I am proud to be an Idahoan. But I am completely appalled by the actions of these parents. And how they are not ashamed of themselves is completely beyond me. I feel these parents owe Mr. McDaniel and his family, as well as the town of Dietrich a National Public Apology, As this story is becoming Viral and will very soon receive national attention. This is a huge slap in the face to the Idaho Education System. Furthermore 10th Grade Students that don't know what a Penis and Vagina are by now, I feel are being setup for a huge rude awakening as they approach adulthood. It begs the question; What else don't these students know about the world they will be living in? Personally it's ridiculous that parents are still teaching their children these outdated beliefs and schools have no choice but to conform.

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

I feel bad for the parents who:

a) think their children don't know what penises and vaginas are
b) think that they can prevent their children from knowing what penises and vaginas are
c) think that this is a worthy endeavour

What fools.

bosdh

How could showing "An Inconvenient Truth" be construed this way? (Used school property to promote political candidates) Like it or not, Al Gore was Vice-President of the US. He hasn't been a candidate for anything in over 12 years. Unfortunately, this charge has exposed these social neanderthals to be hyper-partisans as well. OTH, happy to see all the support this teacher is getting. When the world laughs at your town, it's at least something.

joebleaux

Why this charge? Because although though there is a professional sanction for using school property to campaign for a political candidate, there is no professional sanction for "showing a documentary in class with which other people may disagree."

Violet

A former Dietrich administrator once said, "Kids in Dietrich don't have sex. If they should happen to copulate then it only happened once. If a pregnancy occurs then the parents go to the window and watch for a huge bright star in the eastern sky." How special, this small
Mormon community.

Povery

I would be curios to know the teen pregnancy rate in our little town . Just from the gossip I would be surprised if it wasn't the highest in the State. The mindset of the LDS community is one of teaching abstinence , not sex education or providing protection. This is the mindset of many of the older generation also who were raised with "Because I said no is why". It is a "shame on you" I direct to the complaining parents. You should be protecting your children with " the facts of life" rather than burying your heads in the sand and denying your own inadequacy by hiding behind LDS dogma. Hurray for you Mr. McDaniels. I know your heart is the right place by educating and protecting our young people.

A Dietrichnite

Povery, I think you are thinking of Shoshone! Maybe the Dietrich girls are not preggers cause they had a proper sex education class? Maybe Mr.McDaniels needs to teach there in Shoshone too!

MichPerr

I think that the majority of readers are missing the point to the issue at hand. In the Idaho state standards on biology there is no standard that deals with sex education. It is found in the Health standards. As a fellow teacher I take issue with another teacher saying that they are only teaching what is in the book. Teachers do not teach what is in the book, but rather should be teaching the state standards and using the book as a resource. I hope that more parents are willing to stand up for what they think is right and should not be demonized for doing what they feel is in the best interest of their own child.

atsugi

No they are not missing the point. This man is teaching Human Reproduction. He can not use the terms Hoo-Ha, Yoni, or Ya-Ya. These "parents" should be demonized. They are sheltering their children, preventing personal growth and understanding as well as removing science from the curriculum. Your town is heading back into the dark ages where the church decided what is right and punishes those who do not conform. We as humans have learned, at least most of us, that conformity slows down advancements in both science and the arts, something that need to be embraced and not scorned. As far as the best interest of the child. How is this in the best interest of the child? The world is a nasty place filled with diseases. What if these parents were angry about a teacher teaching how to prevent the flu? Just because it has to deal with the reproductive organs it is now taboo to teach disease prevention? Oh and by the way Vagina.

Mapp

Another liberal using the V-word! See above comment on correct use of the official term "sin funnel".

IdahoBeekeeper

Well said MichPerr. And how does that work? Are only the health teachers supposed to teach this material? Do they take some kind of special training for this that other teachers don't have?

joebleaux

If the standards on sex education are found in the Health portion of the curriculum, and if teachers ought to be teaching to those standards, then perhaps someone should tell the health teacher at this school to DO HIS JOB.

From today's magicvally.com:

"[McDaniel] said that the 10th grade science class includes information on birth control and sexually transmitted diseases because the school’s health teacher declines to teach the material. 'Since I started working here about 17 years ago, I agreed to teach about the reproduction system because I was comfortable with it and he wasn’t,' McDaniel said."

Imagine the uproar if a history teacher had refused to teach the portion of U.S. history curriculum dealing with the settlement of the West because he was "uncomfortable" with the favorable way that white settlers were portrayed, the sympathy shown to the cattle and railroad robber barons, and the lack of discussion about the plight of the American Indian. (You know, typical liberal, nonsensical objections.) The history teacher would've been fired for insubordination in Year 1 (not 17 years later) and replaced with someone who "gots their mind right."

Mapp

Couldn't agree with you more MichPerr. Parents NEED to speak up when their children are being indoctrinated with liberal conspiracy theories such as global warming, gravity, or the absurd notion that dinosaurs and humans did not coexist when the earth was created 6000 years ago.

Truly abhorrent that a "teacher" would take it upon himself to address a subject that is specifically NOT in the Idaho state biology standards, regardless of whether or not the the health teacher tasked with the subject matter thought it was inappropriate. Health teachers, as everyone knows, have no responsibility to state standards while bio "teachers" should stick to their role of state automatons and refuse to address a so called "important" subject that could save lives, prevent unwanted pregnancies, and curb the spread of disease. It's almost as if he thought his real responsibility was to his students and not to the state board. Shocking!!

In addition, he used the incorrect and inaccurate term "vagina" when any college graduate knows the proper term is "sin funnel" (term attributed to the great Itzaak Sirius at TPM).

Sarcasm aside, please do consider the implications of what you are saying in regards to allegiance to state standards vs an obvious important gap in his students education with real implications on his student's lives.

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

Why isn't there a state standard? Isn't the job of a teacher to teach what is scientifically accurate, regardless of what the wise and infallible Idaho State Legislature thinks that is? Christ, how many of them think the entire planet is younger than a bristlecone pine?

Australian

Good on you for making the international news as the world's most moronic city! How strange to want to bring your children up as imbeciles who don't understand the basics of biology. Here in Australia it is standard curriculum to learn basic sex education, including STDs and birth control. We don't want our teenagers growing into adults who spread disease or who are burdened by unwanted pregnancy. But I guess your town are not critical thinkers, if you object to a science teacher creating debate about climate change.

IdahoBeekeeper

Australian, had you read my earlier post, you would have read that the school board in the "world's most moronic city" approved the course material, and the teacher going forward.

mariano

Greetings from Spain! You're in the news here too! It's amazing to see how the USA, which we once looked at as the most advanced country in the world, a land of scientific and technical wonders, has become such a joke in the rest of the world. A place ran over with religious fanaticism, so bad that a biology teacher can get in trouble for naming one part of the body. Where basic science is considered indoctrination, and religious leaders tell people what to think, what to say and who to vote for. Good luck Mr McDaniel!

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

No one expects the American Inquisition...

Tumbleweed Jack

Am I missing something here? It's a sex-ed class. That's the medical name for that part of a woman's body. What was he supposed to call it? A "cooter"? A meow-meow?

As far as I can tell, that's the ONLY appropriate term he could have used.

IdahoDenizen

The really funny part is that probably half those 15-16 year-olds are already using those hoo-hoos and wee-wees. Those, of course, are the proper technical terms.

Shaunatate

For the superintendent to even suggest that there is even a remote possibility that this teacher might even get a letter of reprimand is stupid. IMHO.

123-sayit

I was in high school only about 15 years ago... My high school my sex-ed teacher wanted us to be comfortable with those words so she would do the following..

Teacher said " OK class PENIS, ONE TWO THREE"
Class Responds out loud "PENIS"

Teacher "OK class VAGINA, ONE TWO THREE"
Class Responds "VAGINA"

It think there were about 5 or so others terms she made us do this for? This was not just one day, we had to say Vagina several times over several weeks.

If she did not see you respond with the class, you were asked to respond independently in-front of the class.


zaza

Hi from Europe.
It is unbelievable and just not right.
My best guess - these parents are very religious, right? or just stupid ones. But that not excuse for them, i mean, if they are uncomfortable with words and so naive thinking that their children live "without any clue" about sex, baby, body parts, like - v a g i n a, etc, then no words about their life.., BUT do not make suffering these children and teacher, someone who JUST doing his JOB!
And take your turn to chat with psychologist.
Nonsense

Overseer

Let me start first by saying this: Don't assume that EVERYONE who speaks out against these things is a far out religious zealot. Remember, whether we like to admit it or not, we all have a religious belief. (Thiest, Athiest and agnostic). Now, for the the sheer stupidity of the challenge. I am a Science teacher myself and we have curriculum specifically designed for sex-ed. It is an abstinence program but, it teaches all points of the topic. In the curriculum, it is appropriated by grade levels. At the 7/8th grade levels, students begin to see pictures of infected body parts that result from STD's. In High school, things get more graphic and detailed. We do use the "V" word for the female and the "P" word for the male. If I forgot to mention, I am a "Religious" person but, I understand that life is life and reality is reality. Whether we like it or not, these things must be addressed at an appropriate age because, society and various branches of media are glorifying sex these days.
With the parents who complained, I will more than likely say this, they were probably the types of parents who don't read half of the papers or notes their children bring home from school or, they have kids who don't give them the information because they want to see what "everyone" else is seeing and, or talking about. Parents who don't want their kids to be exposed to things like this should ask the admin or other teachers if things like this will be addressed so they can make proper preparations to have their children exempt from the learning. I also, agree with everyone else about the scientific names of the reproductive organs. It's a lot bette than saying some of the alternative words which, could've actually gotten him into trouble if he had used them. You know, ya yas are ok until someone decides its sexist and claims mental and emotional anguish.

scarshapedstar
scarshapedstar

I don't "assume" they're religious zealots the same way that I don't "assume" someone's a Twilight fan unless they start talking about Twilight. Likewise, when someone insists that a biology teacher not call a penis a penis and not call a vagina a vagina and pretend that orgasms and climate change are both liberal conspiracies, I call zealotry. I'm not saying they behead people but they're living in a fantasy world -- yet that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is they think they can drag the rest of us backwards with them. THAT is zealotry.

Maybe I only see things this way because I'm in medical school (which Idaho does not have, though it's more a function of population size than bass-ackwardness) and thus my grade depended on my ability to identify parts of the vagina that 99% of women don't know exist. I don't think that's a bad thing. These freaks do.

Blablabla

As a former student of mr McDaniel and a parent of children attending this school this is completely dumb. Mr McDaniel is a great teacher with many others right there with him. The problem in little old Dietrich is the Mormon influences that drive the school and the school board. There are worse thing in that school going on than using the word vagina. Come on people you don't think your kids are having sex already... For god sakes its sex education people and one of these mothers has had 6 kids threw his class that have all gone through the same sex education as all of us. Thanks mr mcdanials for being a great teacher wish some of the grade school teachers were more like you!!! And actually doing there F in jobs. Looks as though ill be at the next board meeting to give my two cents. By the way I remember sex Ed being optional and with parents permission ....

MikeMike
MikeMike

There are some parents that simply need to grow up.

LightInShadows

I live here...once again, I-dumb-ho distinguishes itself as a backwater, dark ages swamp ... that a small group of "fringe-type" conservatives can get a teacher tossed for TEACHING the "facts of life" = is why folks call Idaho the Mississippi of the Northwest .... a national story disgracing Idaho, now ... REALLY? Back to the dark ages? Whisper'd teen pregnancies because ignorant parents can't see their way through to a bit of biology lessons ... a genuine shame ... I stand in FULL SUPPORT of Mr. McDaniel: a great teacher, from what I've read... the community doesn't deserve you, Mr. McDaniel, and I hope you can move to a place that supports you and it's children more honestly ...

shamaness
shamaness

You know, I'm from West Virginia, where there are quite a few people like these parents. I'm happy to say I'm not one of them! It still amazes me that these people can be so stupid. Most of those kids probably use those parts! So for parents thinking he should be fired is just ridiculous.

Beircheart

What a mixed bag of pooh! Using biological terms for anatomy in a biology class? Perfectly acceptable. Showing non-biological leftist propaganda films like An Incorrect Truth? Unacceptable. Teaching reproductive biology to 10th graders to include the biology of orgasms(those kids are mostly 16 years old people and 99% know of these first hand, pun intended!) No problem. Off color jokes? Inexcusable. What I barf on is that it is the OK stuff he's getting heat over but the shenanigans is getting a free pass? Only in America!

E Ru
E Ru

Meanwhile, while these parents are outraged that he taught their TENTH-GRADERS about the reproductive system using accurate terminology, many of their 10th graders were likely accessing hard-core naughty sites on their smart phones...
Teens know all about deleting their history and using the private browsing features on these phone, trust me. And they also know about using unsecured wi-fi connections so none of it shows up on their phone activity. You don't even need a data plan to access the internet on a smartphone if you have access to a wi-fi connection. And there are proxy sites that allow you to get around any attempts at blocking these sites. These parents need to wise up and learn to be realistic and practical. S e x is only dangerous when you don't have the correct information.

IdahoHeathen
IdahoHeathen

What deluded fantasy world do these parent live where they believe that not only would tenth graders wouldn't already have a pretty good handle on the proper names of their genitalia, what an orgasm is, and basic birth control? The Idaho legislature and local media have painted teachers as "union thugs," lazy and greedy layabouts, evil indoctrinators, and countless other dishonest defamations. And when we find one doing their job (aside from the possible but unproven "jokes," which may be just as ridiculous as the rest of the complaint) these people try to get them fired? These folks would probably be more at home with the Taliban in Afghanistan than in the country that gave the world the Internet and put men on the moon.

Dutchguy

This kind of messages from a country which calls it self 'Land of the free' in it's national hyme, makes me wonder what different they actually are from countries the USA is fighting against.
The taliban forbid girls to go to school, but parents in the 'land of the free' obviously are thinking almost the same way... why educate properly? I'll bet those parents who have complained about mr. Daniels teaching facts (and naming those facts as they are) have no problems to teach there teens using firearms.

Ex-Idahoan

I stumbled on this and wanted to throw my 2 bits into this.

I was born in Moscow and grew up in Mountain Home and Boise. I lived in Idaho until graduating from high school over 20 years ago but I still have family and visit there from time to time. I've since traveled and lived in many different parts of the world.

For the rest of the civilized world observing this as though it's a back water, red neck haven we're talking about, please realize that Southern Idaho is not as black and white as it may seem. Like pretty much any other place on earth, there are extremists on all sides. There are definitely a lot of LDS folks in Southern Idaho and I don't doubt for one second that the more extreme component are at play in this case but I would also urge folks to realize that there are moderates in the LDS community as well. I'm personally an atheist but I recall in my high school years in particular that some of the LDS kids were the heaviest partiers. Jack Mormons was the term I recall. They drank coke, they drank beer/booze, they smoked, they had sex... they did all of the same things and experimented with the same things that non-LDS kids did and by my estimation, some of them did it with greater gusto. And I tend to believe they did so in retaliation against their rigid religious upbringing. But that said, by my personal observation, the vast majority were just regular folks like everyone else. But there were a handful of nut jobs too.

The specifics of this case are far from clear but for f#$%^sakes, the parents raising the complaints better be incredibly honest, clear and accurate about their assertions because the entire world is now watching. You're painting yourself into an extreme and idiotic corner that not even other Idahoans seem to support. These parents need to show some integrity and the school board and state agencies should do the same too.

Marisa44
Marisa44

From the Medical Dictionary:

vagina

Type: Term <----this designates it as medical terminology.

Pronunciation: vă-jī′nă, -nē
Definitions:
1. The part of the genital canal in the female, extending between the cervix of the uterus and the vestibule; it is an organ of copulation that receives the penis during sexual intercourse.

If there are people that can't handle this basic definition of a medical term regarding human sexuality, you really should be in therapy.

Laura Finney
Laura Finney

Vagina IS the correct academic word for the female lower anatomy. Sounds like these 'handful" of parents need to go back to school and be reeducated.

BreakingBad

The ones filing the complaint have had a long history of doing anything to get attention.

lovemy4kids

What on earth is happening to our country?? The comments I am reading are reflective of a scary trend I, and many others, see occurring over the past few decades. I have three teenage daughters and a ten yr. old son. It is MY responsibility (and my husband's) to teach them about their bodies and how to respect and protect those bodies. It is infuriating that parents do not want to do the work involved to prepare their children to be responsible adults. My girls are straight A students, two play piano one plays violin, they are all athletic,kind, respectful, and very pretty. If I am asleep when they get home from a teen activity, they wake me up to tell me ALL about it. It is my job to know on what and who they are spending their time and minds. They are more important than a good night's sleep! Children are a lifelong investment. It is not the "village's" responsibility to teach our children, it is ours! This is a science teacher overstepping his boundaries and his authority. Shame on you who shirk your duties and want others to do your job.

Ramsey

No, it's not. A science teacher did his job and a handful of kooks decided to be offended. Did you home school your kids? If not, a "village" did educate your kids and the other kids in the "village" deserve to learn the truth. Not some sanitized, milquetoast, version that meets your sensitive sensibilities. This teacher didn't say any "dirty words." He USED SCIENTIFIC TERMS. Science is not dirty. If you want to breath rarefied air with your kids, so be it, but don't expect the rest of us to hide from the world.

suseroth

I agree, it's your job to teach your children about their bodies and how to respect and protect them, but human anatomy and sexuality also falls under Health and Science class curricula. If you've had intelligent, informed discussions with your children you have nothing to fear when a teacher introduces the topic. Especially if your children are as open with you as you represent, because they will come home and talk to you about any questions they have over the content discussed in class. As a parent, some of my best "teachable moments" with my kids have been when they come home and we get to talk about what has been discussed at school.

tigerteacher

You truly sound like a good parent. The sad fact is that all parents don't take the time to teach their children right and wrong much less anything about sex.

SnakeRiver
SnakeRiver

The non-issue here that the "Dummies from Dietrich" made up is HOW he was teaching, not the fact that he was teaching it. I agree with your post in part, but there are things I do not know about the body therefore I rely on college-educated teachers to fill in that gap. You are strong in your opinion about teaching your kids about their bodies...why not go further and teach them history, science, math, and art at home? Why rely on teachers for that if you can't rely on them for teachings of the body? What I see going on, and this is my opinion, is a certain religion which encourages girls to have sex so that they can give birth to lots and lots of good little followers is behind this controversy.

idahom0m

I agree there has to be more than meets the eye. the state and school board would not even investigate this if it was just the use of a few words. like all news stories it will be interesting to see the end results.

idahom0m

was the current health teacher there 18 years ago? if not it would have been very difficult to have made that agreement with him or her. sounds like there could be some holes in this story.

suseroth

Mr. McDaniel, I applaud you for your willingness to do what is in the kids' best interest. I'm a stay at home mother of three, and although my husband and I discussed bodies and sexuality with our kids (well before 10th grade!) I think there is definitely a place in the curriculum for a scientific discussion of the topic. Bravo to you for taking on what another teacher feels less comfortable with!

Leslie Graham

To all the "last of the deniers" who have posted here.
Nobel prize winner Al Gore's Oscar winning documentary has been completely and utterly vindicated against all the attacks from the fossil-fuel funded denialists who attempted to smear it's reputation.
Almost every point the documentary made has since been verified.
Some of the points which were 'unknowns' at the time, like the Antarctic losing ice mass - have since been proven correct.
Suck it up deniers. Events have proved all your wild accusations and sordid smears to be wrong beyond all reasonable doubt.
Now the Arctic has lost 80% of it's ice volume in just 25 years and has resulted in the jet stream meandering much farther south and bringing Arctic weather with it to both northern Europe and northern USA. This is the new normal for at least the next 20 years - and then it starts to get REALLY crazy.
I hope your grandkids will be proud that you helped to destroy their world due to your ignorance and greed. Yeah - thanks a lot guys.

pbrosam010
pbrosam010

What is wrong with you people? Since when is the word vagina a bador vulgar word. It is the correct anatomical word for that particular part of the human body. Some people are so odd. I could see if you were teaching sexual positions or various sexual techniques to a bunch of middle schoolers, but not high school students. Come on. Be sensible. If the American people are that snesitive about the human reproductive system, then maybe we should just shut down all college Human Physiology and anatomy classes. Let's do away with OB/Gyn nurses and doctors. This is so childish, I can't blieve that there is even discussion on this. Sometimes parents act like their kids on issues such as this. It's amazing and makes me wonder where this country is heading.

maythetruthbeknown

It is very unfortunate that the facts become lost as the discussions of people that think they know everything about the situation turn their opinions into judgmental "facts" that do not honestly address the problem. Mr. McDaniel is a caring and compassionate man who does everything he can to help each child succeed and learn in his classroom. He bends over backwards to provide his students with extra help from peers when there is a need, extra time when family emergencies occur, and opportunities to redo failing work. Mr. McDaniel does teach all science classes to the secondary students in Dietrich. He does teach about human reproduction and sexually transmitted diseases in the 10th grade Biology class and many different environmental issues in his Environmental Science class. The students do prepare powerpoints on a variety of topics. A majority of the residents of the community are members of the LDS Church. A majority of the residents of the community are in support of the work Mr. McDaniel, who is also LDS, is doing in his science classes. This matter was presented to the local school board and State Department of Education by four women, not the entire community. Mr. McDaniel has not been found guilty of anything and those making comments and saying there must be more than meets the eye are being judgmental of him on things they know nothing about. He is innocent until proven guilty of everything except offending someone. Please let him do his job. Also, all of this discussion has the potential to be very hurtful and embarrassing to the CHILDREN of the four adults who brought up these complaints. PLEASE BE KIND! People in Idaho are not morons. Teachers everywhere care about their students and wish to help them learn. Parents everywhere love their children and try to protect them. People everywhere will sometime do and say things they later regret. It is not our place to condemn or judge. Let the truth be found and the problem be resolved.

Juana
Juana

I have girls in elementary school, I taught my daughters their parts or their bodies with the right word, When my oldest was in pre and Kindergarten, her teacher got surprise my daughter knew it she has a vagina because she is a girl. I agree teacher can teach our kids start 5 graders till high school, I don't see nothing wrong, that is the reason communication with our children and teachers, now you can hear about 2 or 3 graders playing boyfriend and girlfriend, girls playing kissing each other and no one want to explain or talk about gay and lesbians. Our children are growing so fast they want to know and think they know everything, our responsability is to provide a safe communication, love and friendship to our children, it is nothing wrong what the teacher taught their students, but he needs to informed the parents about it. You don't believe what our children are expose now in our community, government ans sociality too, just remember when you were teenager or in high school I am a Latina, my principles and morality is open more when I came to live here in USA, I love this Country but I don't like ppl don't discuse and talk about things because no time or they think they can talk better in their home. COMMUNICATION PLEASE BETWEEN PARENTS AND TEACHER, tecnology, emails, phone calls it is very good sources. Thanks and God bless you everyone.

newman1145
newman1145

lol wow! once again a fine teacher, is being punished for trying to teach and inform the,students. Heck the kids hear worse in the halls, I don't like it no more than the rest of the parents, and Im not saying that every kid exposed to that type of teaching- language, this is not trying to teach 1st graders about there bodies and the changes that are happening, you know if the kids thats are "sensitive" to the medical and yes scientific- in a biology class- terminology, I am sure to avoid this big mess, accommodations can be made. I just think this situation has gotten way out of hand, even ridiculous. let the teacher teach, theres nothing wrong with it.

tolness

I wonder if those 4 families watch tv? Worse things being said and done than what was taught in his classroom.

shkpo
shkpo

There is currently a fundraiser on the Save the Science Teacher facebook page https://www.facebook.com/SaveTheScienceTeacher All donations will go toward lawyer fees to fight the state.

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