BOISE • An Idaho lawmaker is pushing legislation that would allow businesses to deny services to gay people as long as they cited sincerely held religious beliefs.

Under the new bill, Idahoans would not lose their professional or occupational licenses if they refused to provide their services to an individual or a group because they were exercising their religion.

“We've seen the government attempt to come in and dictate who a church should hire for their personnel,” said state Rep. Lynn Luker, R-Boise, to the House State Affairs Committee. “We’ve seen the government mandate health care which requires businesses and individuals to support paying for … contraceptions against their religious feelings.“

Under the bill, doctors could deny providing medical treatment to gay people or even unmarried mothers and not lose their medical license. The same would be allowed for teachers to deny educating one of their students if they were gay. The bill would also allow psychologists to provide faith-based services as long as they cited they were exercising their religion.

The bill does not, Luker said, protect individuals from being fired if they do choose to deny someone for religious reasons.

Luker’s bill follows last year’s New Mexico Supreme Court decision that ruled in favor of a gay couple who sued a photographer for turning down their request to take pictures at their wedding.

The ruling has also caused Arizona lawmakers to introduce a bill similar to Luker’s but expands the religious exemption to those even without a professional license.

“We as a nation have almost divorced any association with a higher being,” Luker said.

The committee unanimously passed the bill but not without pressing Luker on what he meant by “sincerely held beliefs.“

Luker, a lawyer, responded that the phrase is found in was legal documents.

“But how do you prove your sincerely held beliefs?” asked state Rep. Eric Anderson, R-Priest Lake. “Are you going to bring people to court?“

“Yes, if it comes to that,” Luker said.

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SnakeRiver
SnakeRiver

Unbelievable. Doctors can REFUSE to treat gays? Professors can REFUSE to educate gays? What the foxtrot have we come to? Why stop there? Why can't gay doctor's refuse to treat non-gays? Or professors refuse to educate non-gays? I really hope this doesn't get national attention. It's an embarrassment. I don't agree with homosexuality, but this goes way too far IMO. This proposal is veiled discrimination and there are that many backwards people who will support it.

Killface

I see the reasoning for this. I don't think it should include healthcare. An Oregon bakery is being shut down because they refused to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding. And now they will be sued for all they are worth. It protects these people. Like I said though it should not include health care and other things....obviously.

EasttoAK

The Oregon bakery is NOT being shut down. The Oregon bakery was found to have violated the law. Please stop insinuating that the government or GLBT people "shut down" businesses. They didn't.

And your statements are thought out very well. You say it "should not include health care and OTHER THINGS" (which is VERY ambiguous and subjective). Then you use the statement "obviously" as if all Idahoans can read your mind and agree on what "other things" means. This is so much more complex than what your posts seem to imply.

Ramsey

Oh goodie. We now have a pinhead that wants to INSTITUTIONALIZE BIGOTRY. And it unanimously passed through it's committee of origin.

Let that sink in folks. These are the idiots that idiots who vote by party elect. THIS is what passes for leadership in Idaho.

Killface

I don't see a problem either. It's not bigotry to stand up for your sincere religious beliefs. It's not bigotry to not support somebody's lifestyle. It's bigotry to hate somebody for their lifestyle, skin color etc. People think they are victims of bigotry because that's what they want to think. Most of the time people are just holding true to their morals and religion, not the same as hating or bigoting somebody.

Jim_Bob
Jim_Bob

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You hateful ignorant bigots never cease to amaze me. This is exactly why we need laws to protect people from discrimination.

duke

so you can discriminate against them right? and do way with their civil rights ,yes jim bob it works both ways if I don't want to rent my house to a gay couple that is my right not yours........and that is not being a bigot cause you show hate goes both ways.....

Jim_Bob
Jim_Bob

"so you can discriminate against them right? and do way with their civil rights " WTF are you talking about?

"and that is not being a bigot "
What part of the definition of the word are you having trouble comprehending?

duke

jim bob you blocked your last statement,yes I can discriminate against them you can not rent your house to me if you don't like the way I part my hair,i don't call that hate that is your right ,now what part of that don't you understand see it goes both ways,try to understand that......

Jim_Bob
Jim_Bob

"jim bob you blocked your last statement"

Why would I expect you to understand something as serious as human rights when you can't comprehend a basic comment system?

Jim_Bob
Jim_Bob

"jim bob you blocked your last statement"

Why would I expect you to understand something as serious as human rights when you can't comprehend a basic comment system?

deuce

So Jeff and Killface you realize it can go both ways right? For example, I am a Muslim, Christian or Jew and I don't believe the other religion is right and I have " firmly held religious beliefs" So I deny the "other" religion access to my store, refuse to teach them, refuse to sell a car to a dirty ____________ Do you still believe it's ok?

Any religious person care to answer why gay people are always the brunt of this type of nonsense? Are divorcee's, gamblers, adulators, fornicators held to this type of scrutiny? Why is it ok to pick and chose what Christian verses to follow and enforce through discrimination?

Killface

This law is to protect. It's not saying it's okay. In Oregon a bakery is being sued because a Christian woman refused to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding. Now her own children are getting death threats...so who are the victims here? I don't think it's okay to discriminate based on sexual orientation, but when you are being asked to help support a lesbian wedding when your Christian beliefs are obviously against such wedding, than I think it is okay to refuse service. I wouldn't expect a Muslim to make me a bacon breakfast. I think we should all be respectful of each other's beliefs, and it goes both ways. No matter what you may believe treat each other with kindness, but don't support something you fundamentally disagree with. Does that clear up what I am trying to say?

Killface

And to answer your question, I don't think Christians would hold a swinger party, and I would assume swingers wouldn't ask a Christian church to participate. The reason homosexuals are the centerpiece here is because they are suing a good loving woman in Oregon for simply not supporting their gay marriage. And this is the kind of law that will protect that from happening. Again I don't think it is okay to discriminate on sexual orientation, but like I said I wouldn't sue a Muslim for refusing to make me bacon. I wouldn't ask a Christian to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage and if they refuse sue them.

EasttoAK

If you don't think Christians would (or do) hold swinger parties then there isn't much reason to discuss this matter... you seem quite naive. No offense, but really?

Just because someone states they are a Christian doesn't mean they act like it. More often than not, it is the opposite.

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deuce

Matthew 5:32, Romans 7:3, Lev 20:10, Exodus 20:14, Matthew 19:9, Luke 16:18, 1 Cor 6:10........for a start. So if I hold these biblical convictions true it would be ok to not teach, medically treat or provide service to someone who violates these Christian tenants?

What if I was the only store in town, teacher in the school, surgeon at the hospital, nurse at the health department, it would still be ok to refuse service to a gay person, divorcee, drunkard, adulterer?

Wade A

So snake river, should a doctor have to perform an abortion? Does a pharmacist have to sell birth control? These normally are not emergency services so why can the customer not take their business elsewhere? Should a man be able to have three wives at once and should a justice of the pease be required to perform it over his own convictions? I don't think people are looking to stop others from doing these things they just don't want to take part in it. Freedom should allow an American to say no to anyone they don't want to do business with. Now that's with the obvious exception of an emergency. And at the end of the day fellow opinion writers lets stop with the personal attacks and focus on the topic at hand. The name calling only pushes the two sides apart and makes them more bitter.

EasttoAK

On what planet are doctors forced to OFFER any procedure? Just because someone has M.D. after their name doesn't mean they are forced to offer every potential medical procedure known to mankind.

Now, if a doctor performed abortions regularly but decided he/she wouldn't do it for someone based on their race or marital status that is a different question.

The pharmacist should not have to offer birth control products. But the owner of the pharmacy should make that decision not the individual pharmacist.

the other example you gave is illegal.

Ramsey

And would it be all fair and good for a "deeply religious business" to be on the end of a boycott once the truth of their denial service came about or would that be "an attack on their 1st amendment rights?" You can't have it both way. If this becomes law, so be it. We elect idiots who pass idiotic legislation. However, then the "deeply religious" will have to be ready to reap the backlash from informed consumer. Under the 1st amendment, you have the right to say what you want and practice your religion so long as it doesn't hurt someone else. You also have to be ready to be called out as an idiot when you do.

“You’ve gotta respect everyone’s beliefs.” No, you don’t. That’s what gets us in trouble. Look, you have to acknowledge everyone’s beliefs, and then you have to reserve the right to go: “That is ******* stupid. Are you kidding me?” I acknowledge that you believe that, that’s great, but I’m not going to respect it. I have an uncle that believes he saw Sasquatch. We do not believe him, nor do we respect him!” -Patton Oswalt-

Ronnie
Ronnie

If you ever wondered what intolerance and hatred looks like. This is it. Lynn Lurker is exactly what is wrong with Idaho.

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duke

you are right ,most people on here is making things up as they go,if you are giving them special rights watch out ,next it will be more than one wife in most places theyhave the right to refuse service to any one ,as no shirt ,no shoes no dirty talk,,,i say they should do away with the a l c u and find common ground...........

SKC_ID

“We as a nation have almost divorced any association with a higher being,” Luker said.

Well you know what? We as a nation have that RIGHT, and it's happening because we as a nation are seeing through all of the religious BS more and more every day!

This puts me in mind of the idiots in the Followers of Christ "churches" who are standing by and letting their children die, by refusing to get medical treatment for them ... these people are proving their "sincerely held beliefs" also, and it's sickening.

amie00id

I loved the beauty of Idaho the state I was raised in, but got the hell out and am raising my kids in a better state. The law makers and politicians in this state have a huge sickness and blinding hate that leads them to do horrible things to the people of Idaho. They don't protect workers, they are attacking minorities. These are not proposed laws these are hate crimes. If the cops in Idaho actually had balls they would arrest these "law makers" for hate crimes. It is time for the grand old party to quit they have out lived their use and now are a burden on younger generations shaming the faces of the elderly. (they are all old) Their focus should be on uniting people not isolating people and hurting people. Shame on you!! Your sick get help or retire but stop the abuse and stop the power trip.

Dick1946

This is a subject that needs to be worked out for sure, but is being brought to life during an election year by the legislature to misdirect the public on the immediate issues of: employment, education, healthcare

Wade A

Wow Amie, very open minded. Police arresting the politicians for not carrying out your will instead of the people who elected them. Good idea. Do you hear yourself? Is this how we move forward to get things done as a community now?

duke

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justasmallfarmer

I'm with you SnakeRiver. Non religious refuse to serve religious. I think it is okay for the gay couple to sue, thats their right. I think they would have to prove how this refusal damaged them financially. I do not think we need laws to encourage this hate. I do think it's hate.

tlower83

Hmm, well this is fascinating, everyone is all up in arms about being able to turn away gay or lesbians, what about single moms? How come no one is standing up for them? As a single mom this is horrible. Yes, I am a single mom and it wasn't by choice, it was because my ex husband decided he didn't want a family anymore and his 20 year old gf was what was best for him. So because of this I could potentially penalized for doing everything to take care of my children?

tlower83

Sorry for the misspellings, I was on my phone typing this up.

EasttoAK

If this bill really does affect single moms then it would be a travesty of justice. I think most people are assuming (possibly falsely) that this bill will end up affecting GLBT folks for the most part.

rjf
rjf

Killface, ummm so a bakery bakes cakes right?? So why not bake a cake, it doesnt matter who or what the cake is for if you own a bakery than your job is to bake a cake. I'm going to agree with SnakeRiver because if they can say no to gay peepa and single moms than it should go the other way also right to refuse service period doesnt matter who you are. People need to grow up and Idaho needs to grow up

Niki

I am not asking everyone to think or feel the same way I do. I would, however, like to encourage all of you to read this and voice your opinion. It is so important to be aware of what's happening and ensure we are maintaining a place not only we, but future generations feel safe and free to be happy. There is beauty in diversity! We each have different stories,different struggles, different desires... all of those differences are what makes us interesting and beautiful. My reaction to this article: I am absolutely embarrassed to be from a state that would not even listen to "Add the Words" but will entertain the idea of this offensive bill, which is such a violation of human rights it is ridiculous! Just when I thought we have come so far. What happened to loving your neighbor? As you defend strong religion, did you fail to read the kindness Jesus showed to the prostitute!? You honestly think God would be happy with this concept of yours?? Just knowing someone here feels and thinks this way, (enough to take it this far) is very sad to me!

Jim_Bob
Jim_Bob

Couldn't agree more Niki. Truly sad day to be an Idahoan.

rosiern

If I own a business, or if I chose an occupation that serves the general public, then I should be obligated to follow my profession. My religious beliefs are private. They should not interfere with my doing my job. If I object to giving my all to my job and customers, then I have chosen the wrong profession.

This discrimination, if allowed, would be a slippery path to refusing to serve others. No service for blacks, Asians, middle Easterners, Jews, blonds or anyone with blue or brown eyes.

What is being proposed, is nothing more than legalized discrimination and carte blanch to commit hate crimes.

If passed, it will be a sad day for America and mankind.

duke

you say what is the law,i have no right,if you don't like my place take your businesss else where who judges what is hate, say I don't wont their business ,so where is my civil rights??????

aperson

These doctors will gain a bad reputation and lose business as a result. We cannot regulate beliefs and the government definitely should not. That is why this bill is actually good for Idaho and America, because you can't sue just because you are offended. A bad doctor should lose business naturally and fail because of they're poor and discriminatory choices.

EasttoAK

A bad doctor should lose his/her lisence. This bill allows politicians to interfere with a highly technical professional field based on an ideology. That is a BAD idea.

aperson

The part everyone is missing is that this bill is PRO FREEDOM. I don't agree with any doctor that would turn away services for idiotic reasons such as these, but unless that doctor is a government employee he/she has no obligation to provide care to anyone. A doctor gets paid to do his/her services. It's a business. If some little old lady who owned a muffin shop decided not to sell muffins to skinheads it is the same principle like it or not. I DO NOT AGREE WITH DR.S WHO WOULD MAKE THESE CHOICES.

EasttoAK

This bill allows the state government to override the licensing bodies of the professional organizations, effectively telling these groups what their own best practices should be. If a doctor, therapist, teacher or other professional doesn't agree with their own licensing boards then they should pick a different profession. Be a religious zealot all you want. But if your beliefs collide with the currently accepted best practices of your profession then you shouldn't expect to have it both ways.

Of course, I don't believe for one minute that these "professionals" care about religion near as much as they care about their own ideology.

Kayakerjoe

It is completely unbelievable that this is actually an issue that time and money are being wasted on. Apparently, in Idaho we are allowed to discriminate if our reasons are religious enough. What would the reaction to this bill be if it targeted a certain race, sex, or religion? This is ridiculous and an embarrassment to Idaho.

andrew h

In 1882, led by future state senator Fred T Dubois, the Territory of Idaho enacted a law disenfranchising all Mormons in the territory. This was done because at the time some Mormons practiced Polygamy and polygamy was an official teaching of the Church. This violated and offended the Christian sensibilities of many of the other residents of Idaho. They felt that since they were morally offended by the Mormons way of life that they should be able to deny Mormons their right to vote.

Now, in the state of Idaho a Mormon state Representative, Lynn Luker, R-Boise, has proposed a law that would allow people in Idaho to deny Gays, single mothers and others that they are offended by public services. This includes allowing doctors to "deny providing medical treatment to gay people or even unmarried mothers...The same would be allowed for teachers to deny educating one of their students if they were gay. The bill would also allow psychologists to provide faith-based services as long as they cited they were exercising their religion."

THIS IS WRONG and is no different that the discrimination that was done to Lynn Luker's Mormon Ancestors. When you allow ANYONE'S rights to be violated, you allow EVERYONE'S rights to be violated. If someone finds it morally wrong to serve a gay person, they (or someone else) may also find it wrong to serve a Muslim, or an African American, or even, yes, a Mormon.

Civil Rights are for EVERYONE, not just those that you agree with.

bdgarcia123

I'm livid. This is ridiculous. On every application you see "religion, sexual preference etc...well not be put against you." Seriously people?! Why is this even an issue when there are other IMPORTANT things to "pass a bill" on? This makes me sick.

VG414

This is pathetic and wrong. People need to grow up . What happens when a female is raped and gets pregnant and still chooses to keep the baby should she be denied as well? Does that not say that she has religious beliefs of her own which is to not abort a baby, and she should not get care or educated? Or how about a male or female that was raped by the same sex and now they are gay should they suffer. Even for the men and females who choose to practice there own sexuality they don't deserve any less or anymore. Or mothers who choose to raise their children on their own. Hello people! Who's to say her boyfriend or once husband wasn't hitting her or the baby does that matter? I guess the world will never grow up because one should want to help anyone because it's the right thing to do.

Marlena

This was brought to my attention by a friend of mine from Idaho on Facebook. Had I not just read this I would have not believed the validity of it. I grew up in the beautiful state of Idaho. In Custer County to be exact. I ran the mountains of Challis National Forest with my 3 brothers and baby sister every summer camping with my parents. My dad worked on the road crew for the Forest Service and we went along with him. That was before it became The Frank Church Wilderness Area. My childhood was wonderful! I knew no prejudice then. I was not taught to discriminate against anyone. Until I got older. My neighbor asked my mom if she could take me to Primary on Wed afternoons. For those who don't know it was church during the week for Mormon kids before they started including it into the long 3 hours of church on Sundays. And so my Mormon life began. I went to BYU, got married to a return missionary and started having babies just like I was told to during my marriage in the Idaho Falls Temple. My parents were not "worthy" to be in the temple so they had to wait outside. My father is gone now, and to this day it haunts me that I let a church dictate to me what was right or wrong...WHO was worthy or unworthy! God blessed me with a very special brother, He started playing the piano at age 3 by ear and never stopped, He played for The Old Time Fiddlers for a few years as a teenager, He was gifted, He grew up to be a professional chef and traveled the world learning their cuisine to bring back to the CEO of Levi Strauss headquarters in San Francisco CA. Oh, and best of all he was gay. The mormon church or in Utah, Idaho you just have to say The Church once again' told me what was right or wrong WHO was worthy or unworthy! As far as I could tell my brother was no different than anyone else other than he was a damn good piano player, cook and brother! The Church had a deep set hatred towards Homosexuality, they called it. I recall one of the Twelve Apostles stating, " It is better to be DEAD than to be a HOMOSEXUAL" Bruce R McConkey. Many kind, loving mormon boys and girls proceeded to kill themselves. The Church blames the sin. One young return missionary, after trying everything to "change" went to the loving chapel he grew up in and shot himself in the head at the front of the building with a DNR written in his handwriting pinned to his white shirt that he wore on his mission " spreading the gospel" Salt Lake City has one of the largest group of youth on the streets who were either kicked out of their homes or left on their own because they couldn't take the treatment anymore. If you doubt my words I suggest you check into the history of the rise and fall of Proposition 8 during the elections in California. The documentary Prop Hate is a real eye opener. I was not aware of the true hatred this church had and the POWER to provide MILLIONS of dollars to fund the bill and sit back as the radical fundamentalists answered their call to go out in droves in the streets to save the sanctity of marriage and the family. Yes, this makes me angry! Yes it is wrong, and to go backwards instead of forward in this form of discrimination makes me sick to my stomach! A church and it's members should not have the power to bring their personal religious convictions into their governing jobs. Brainwashing is a serious thing. I know, because it happened to me, but I refused to let it dictate to me the "worthiness" or "unworthiness"of the brother I loved so much! He passed away at the age of 34 and I am forever grateful for my spiritual guidance to leave behind an institution and create lasting memories with my brother, his companion and seeing my children all grow into strong young adults who refuse to Hate.and stand up for what is right. My husband is retiring next year after 30 years in the Military. Even though all of our family lives in Pocatello, we have, after long consideration, decided to stay on the east coast. We cannot live in such a religious dominated state and this article sealed the deal! We recently took our youngest daughter to the college she will be attending in Maine. I was happy to see that the GLBT population of students were as much of an asset to the University as any other student. They live in a hate free zone and prejudice is not tolerated. This is not just in Husson University, but every other College up and down New England. We return every year to Idaho to visit and my family comes here. Its a 6 hour flight away, but a world of difference landing in Salt Lake City or Boston. We now live in the beautiful mountains of Vermont, but its not the same as the mountains I grew up in! One of my favorite spiritual leaders whom I had the once in a lifetime opportunity to hear speak in a college in Pennsylvania says it best., " We all have our own faith, and it is as personal between our Creator as was our birth. Be kind, speak kind words about one another and if you cannot agree, leave it alone and agree we are all not cut from the same cloth of our Creator! Be tolerant, don't judge for we are all worthy of respect at the very least! After all we are simply walking each other HOME

Marlena

How could I forget such an important detail! The spiritual leader I am referring to is none other than the Dalai Lama. I guess while running away with my personal history I forgot the purpose of this post. I love the people of Idaho. They are hard working, down to earth, family and friends.Those who disagree with the proposal of this bill need to stand up and make your voices heard. I doubt it will make the national news but if it does, it would be a good thing. Idaho does not deserve to be the laughing stock of the country because of a state representative who also happens to be a nut job. Call him out and uncover his stupidity. When pigs fly as they say would this bill ever be allowed to pass. He is wanting his 10 minutes of fame. To even consider not serving lunch to an "unwed mother" is preposterous. How do you know she is unwed? Do you ask for a marriage license before you serve her a sandwich. Good Lord! I see this showing up on CNN in the ridiculousness piece by Anderson Cooper { a proud gay man} or even The Bill Mahar Show.Come on Idaho, don;t let this joker speak for you! Marlena, Woodstock, Vermont

ambern14
ambern14

This is absurd! If I ever saw someone be denied services for such reasons, I would make the BIGGEST scene. I don't care what your religion is, that doesn't give you any right to treat another human being so cruel and with so much disrespect. I'm ashamed to say I'm from Idaho, this is ridiculous and if I still lived there I'd protest this like crazy. This so ridiculous and makes me incredibly angry.

ambern14
ambern14

This is absurd! If I ever saw someone be denied services due to any of these reasons, I would make the BIGGEST scene ever. I don't care what your religion is or your opinion is on homosexuality or people what are unmarried and w/child it is none of your business and you have NO RIGHT to pass judgement. I'm ashamed to say I am from Idaho and if I still lived there I'd protest this like a mad person because this is awful. How is this any better than when segregation was ok? I hope this get National attention and is changed because this is horrible.

duke

every one talks about human rights but just one side that talk way this you want to make every one to think your way,all I say on this give it 2 years and see where this united states is then, I don't hate these people I hate what is doing to them and I feel sorry for them

Bob55

Luker is a joke - he's trying to make a name for himself - i guess he has big dreams! Let's let him fade into obscurity while we support the ACLU in defeating this legislation and boycotting any businesses or care providers stupid enough to try to limit their services only to their own bigoted little enclave.

SKC_ID

To those of you who believe that "sincerely held religious beliefs" should be protected by law --Does that apply to ALL religions and their sincerely held religious beliefs, or just yours?

deuce

Awesome SKC_ID!

kfdg1979
kfdg1979

Seriously? This is a joke! We live in a country based on freedom but yet we live behind bars of a government prison who dictates what we can and can't do. It's bad enough to serve this country and to have our benefits or pay cut, but to deny people their rights, because you don't agree with their lifestyle goes against what this country was founded on. The separation from church and state were separated for a reason! I definitely see they didn't mention the denial of single dads. Yes they do exist! But they wouldn't get denied? How is that even fair, let alone logical? I left an abusive relationship because I was tired, I deserved better, my son deserved better, yeah it took seven years but I left so to be denied services because I was a single mom just so I could be alive for my kid, well then I might as well build a time machine and move back into time women didn't have rights. Oh wait, I wouldn't have my son then either because different races weren't allowed to mix then. I swear this country if reversing instead of moving forward. We're teaching our kids hate by denying people what they need and, or deserve. If we want to make this a religious belief issue, then deny people who have sex before marriage, or who don't confess their sins, or go to church every Sunday, or even follow a health belief (in the Mormon religion) if they drink coffee or any caffeine. There are so many things you can pin point in each religion but for the government to try to play God, or Buddha, or Allah, or whoever else is ridiculous. Again church and state are separated for a reason, keep it that way.

SR012

Awww, yes. The legislature circus is back in session. I'm fairly confident this bill would never pass but even its introduction makes Idahoans look like a bunch of stupid, bigoted, zealots. I LOVE my state but I sure wish our lawmakers would stop being such a national embarrassment.

DotN
DotN

Religious beliefs should stop at the end of a persons nose and those so called religious people should keep their noses out of things that are not their business. Human/civil rights are basic rights, stop legislating everything to satisfy these so called religious people; you will end up satisfying no one. Make laws that take care of everyone equally.

Nick Staal
Nick Staal

Why would we only pick this one religious belief. If we're to deny gays and single mothers there rights based off of religious beliefs, then maybe we fouls apologize for killing Osama Bin Ladan, he was only acting according to his faith. Jim Jones as well. I feel like there should be a line in our government, we'll call it the stupid line, and if you say or do something stupid enough too to cross it, kind I like this whole situation, you should get fired.

bassettlvr

People on here make it sound like everyone who loves the Lord is a religious fanatic, well that insults me as I am not religious-I am a born again Christian and I love the Lord but no where in there does it say I am a bigot, a racist or anything else negative. It says I love the Lord and love all people black, white, green or yellow or whatever. Actually they are saying or doing the same thing as they are blaming people of doing. My outlook only. Just know the Jesus some people see is the Jesus in you and the Jesus in me so watch what you say and do people are watching your every step if you say you love the Lord.

Jim_Bob
Jim_Bob

So your imaginary as well?

Life

I just heard about this bill that Rep. Lynn Luker has introduced in reference to the denial of services to gays and single mothers. What is up with this guy, he is an LDS Member (who in his religious believes, believed and practiced polygamy) and is a so called attorney that became an attorney in order to give people a right to fight for their legal rights and here he is now, introducing a bill that brings back discrimination on the basis of your preference of gender or because you are a single mother. In which his bill introduces the right to refuse service to single mothers and gays. I believe that he is somewhat of a bigot on the basis that he is trying to cover his tracks by stating that this violates one’s religious beliefs. I personally think the man is completely crazy. I am a single mother, I am not a single mother by choice, but by providing a better stable home to my children without having to deal with the emotional and physical abuse that I endured while I was in my marriage, and now he is going to attempt to set a bill that gives him the right to have other’s label me and deny me service for being a single mother, such as in the “scarlet letter”. Really, and also give the go ahead to refuse someone for one’s sexual preference. Who does this guy think he is god? I hope that while he is pulling this stunt he can also see that he has children of his own that are sons and daughters and will also in the future have grandchildren in which might not have his “perfect” so called outlook in life as him, and may affect their way of being in the future. I don’t think that one’s sexual preference or being a mother affects anyone else’s lives. We all live our lives to the fullest based on each individual’s ways. I am not going to allow someone like Luker try to make me feel like I am a failure and should have stayed in a man controlled world in which the woman was to put up with all the infidelities and abuse. Soon he will be introducing a bill about not allowing interracial marriages. As for the refusal of services to gays, this is also outrageous. There is 17 States in the United States that allow same-sex marriages. Times have changed and the law always has to change with the times. If it did not we’d have segregation, slavery, and polygamy still happening. So Mr. Luker, I think you are a complete idiot that needs to step up with the times and accept that you are not the beholden one to decide what is right and what is wrong based upon religion. When the time comes it will be decided, but you most definitely are not the one.

Linds2

I just wanted to let you know that this this not what the bill is doing. The reporter (and many others) are not accurately reporting what is going on. The bill ONLY protects the LICENSE of someone. If someone denies service or does something else based on a religious conviction, they can STILL be fired, fined, prosecuted, etc. That is still the same. The bill just says they can't have the license revoked based solely on that (they can have it revoked for other reasons). The bill is currently going through the amendment process, where they are adding provisions where someone has to 'prove' it's a religious conviction and courts will have to decided if it really is one (i.e. declining to participate in abortions, declining to be a marriage therapist for a same-gender couple). If someone refused service to a single mother, they can certainly be taken to court and they would be subject to all the current penalties that apply. The person could be fired, sued, spend time in jail, etc. The only thing this bill could do is protect the license of that person, if the court decided that his discrimination was a 'sincerely held religious belief'. It's a very, very narrow bill that for some reason the media has take and distorted, causing lots of anger and confusion. I encourage you to dig just a bit deeper and perhaps send an email to Rep. Luker yourself and ask for clarification on the matter.

desertdr12

I am relieved and cheered by the comments I read here. If someone judged Idaho based on her politicians, they would think we're all as nuts as Luker and his cronies are. Thanks, everyone, for standing up for democracy, a concept about which the Republicans bray while doing everything possible to undermine. I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing about religious freedom; it's a very dangerous concept when only one side thinks they have the right to wave that flag. Do we want to become a nation of fanatics or free-thinking, logical people who are willing to extend the same freedoms we all enjoy to every person in this country? I have nothing against Mormonism---or any other religion although I'm an avowed Atheist---but it is a force that can become evil in the wrong hands. We all need to remain in the fight against any legislation that is based on hate and fear---and anyone's religion. Thanks for sharing your outrage.

Linds2

It seems like the overwhelming majority of people on this site did not actually seek out information on what it is exactly that this bill does. The media has been misrepresenting it and quite frankly, lying about it. There are two bills: one simply makes an amendment to an existing bill that extends protections in suits not just government vs. individual, but individual vs. individual. It just makes the law more consistent. The second bill, which is the main bill people seem to be misinformed about, ONLY protects the LICENSES. You CAN be sued, fired, thrown in jail and all the other punishments that come with discriminating, EXCEPT have your license revoked. Doctors have no leeway in emergency situations, that has been clear in the bill. The law is only trying to say people can keep their license so after they've been sued or fired, they can still go look for a job elsewhere. Doesn't mean they'll get hired, but at least they haven't lost their license by doing something that is 'a sincerely held religious belief' (a technical term used by the government). I.E. A doctor that won't perform an abortion can't lose their license to 'doctor', but they can be fired if the place they are working at says they have to perform one. A marriage therapist can't lose his/her license to be a therapist if they refer a same-gender couple to another therapist because they do not support same-sex marriage. They can still be sued if the couple wants to take them to court, they might have to pay a fine, but they can still keep the license so they aren't completely unable to find work in a profession that they have trained and been educated in. THAT'S ALL.

The media is turning this into something it's not. It's a very, very narrow protection. If you want to know more, why not look up the bill itself or send an email to Rep. Luker and ask for clarification and specifics. If you want to hate the bills, fine, but at least seek out some more information before jumping to conclusions as this reporter erroneously did.

desertdr12

What a relief! You can deny emergency medical services to a gay person or a single mom, for example, and still go on to deny them to other people with whom you don't agree! Gosh, I had no idea this is what this bill meant!
Your attempt to assuage the horror and malice behind this bill won't work. Regardles of the spin you put on it, it remains rotten to the core.

EasttoAK

While the story might be misrepresented, the scenario you present isn't much better. There is a reason that there is a licensing body for these professions - and it should NOT be up to Luker or any other legislator to determine the best practices of a highly technical profession. It scares me to think that a doctor or therapist can just ignore the licensing requirements of their profession knowing the legislature provides them legal protection to do get away with it.

Why is it these super-conservatives keep saying they want small government and then pull stuff like this? Talk about being LIARS.

Big Jim

That doesn't sound like a very "Christian thing to do" to people.


The Immoral Minority on the right Has lost their small minds.

usc1801

If I read where Idaho decided to elect Hitler as governor, change all law-enforcement uniforms to that of the SS, and lock up everyone who doesn't agree with the Repubtards I would not be surprised in the least. Idaho is without a doubt one of the least educated most backwards states in the nation.

humanitarian

Universal Declaration of Human Rights –

Article 25.
• (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
• (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

waynef48

Get a grip people. No private person or business should ever be forced to deal with anyone. Private persons or buisneses have a natural right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, or no reason if they so choose. Doing so is not real bright, but people also have a natural right to do stupid things if they so choose. And notice that I said PRIVATE persons or buisnesses, not those who are receiving public money. A public school should have to accept and educate all legaly enrolled students regardless, a privately funded one should be able to choose.
Now let the liberal name calling begin.

Jim_Bob
Jim_Bob

"But how do you prove your sincerely held beliefs?” asked state Rep. Eric Anderson, R-Priest Lake. “Are you going to bring people to court?“"

Great, Lets start with proving your desired deity exists first. But let's be logical about it, you have to use real evidence. Not just some random holy book you think is evidence. That is merely the claim. As a pastafarian, I know my religion is the TRUE religion or there wouldn't be any spaghetti.

desertdr12

Great reply!

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